Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeopardy! Ultimate Tournament of Champions (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep; withdraw nomination. I have learned that this tournament passes WP:GNG and is sufficiently notable for its own article. —Seth Allen (discussion/contributions), Monday, August 19, 2013, 13:24 U.T.C.

Jeopardy! Ultimate Tournament of Champions (2nd nomination)

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This article is a violation of WP:INDISCRIMINATE, as it comprises elevated amounts of fancruft, trivia, original research, and unverifiable information, in the form of tons of unsourced statistics which appear to be sourced from the J! Archive, which is a fansite and is thus an unreliable source of information. Any information that can't be sourced from the J! Archive, appears to have been mined from primary sources without citation. If this article deserves any fate, it has to be deletion. —Seth Allen (discussion/contributions), Sunday, August 18, 2013, 01:11 U.T.C.

Do you have any specific violations of WP policies that were not addressed in the previous nomination for deletion? Indeed, can you address any of the points made in the previous nomination? 271828182 (talk) 03:26, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The previous nomination addressed this tournament as non-notable and unworthy of inclusion. Although this tournament has been given multiple mentions in books and news articles as stated in Nomination 1, even these are not enough to support the existence of a separate article for this particular tournament, and yet, some of these news articles even require subscriptions to be displayed in their entirety. I feel that coverage of the Ultimate Tournament of Champions should be left to List of Jeopardy! tournaments and events#"All-time best" tournaments. Besides, there is no way that anyone is going to give reliable sourcing to all the statistics on this page, and Wikipedia is not a collection of statistics. —Seth Allen (discussion/contributions), Sunday, August 18, 2013, 15:34 U.T.C.

By your second sentence, you agree that the article meets notability. So why, exactly, should it be deleted? "I feel that" and "there is no way" are empty assertions of what you think, not actual facts or WP policies. 271828182 (talk) 01:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very well, then. This tournament DOES pass the General Notability Guideline. The only problem is that editors have not given it responsible attention. I just realized that there is no need to actually order this article deleted! So I'm going to have this nomination withdrawn without further action, and then add independent sourcing to spare the article from further nominations for deletion. --Seth Allen (discussion/contributions), Monday, August 19, 2013, 12:25 U.T.C.

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 02:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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