Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay Ikwan

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The result was delete. SoWhy 15:15, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable person. There is no significant coverage in reliable sources, fails WP:GNG and WP:MBIO. The editor whose username is Z0 13:21, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

Thank you for your input to making wikipedia a better research center. I perfectly understand where you are coming from , however, please consider the following points

1. Aba, Abia State Nigeria where the artiste is from has little or no representation on the Internet with regards to music. Will it not be great to actually receive articles that speak about what has been going on in this city in Nigeria ?

The artiste in question has a solid reputation and is a notable public figure in the South East of Nigeria.

WP:GNG I believe that the article should not be deleted because the history of this artiste's work can be attested by a lot of residents of Aba, Abia State, Nigeria. One of wikipedia's aims as an encyclopedia is to give information that is lacking on the internet. Jay Ikwan spent most of his life as a South Eastern Artiste in Nigeria and his works might not have gain popularity in mainstream media but he is highly celebrated and his catalogue speaks volumes. When Jay Ikwan and most artistes from Aba where on the charts, they had no access to mainstream media. It would only be right that artistes from the South East of Nigeria are given the same platform as artistes from Lagos Nigeria. Another artiste that is experiencing this too is an artist called Ruffcoin Nwaba. He is arguably the King of Popular Music in the South East of Nigeria and his name actually means Ruffcoin the Son of Aba. There is however no article on wikipedia talking about him as well.

I believe the article should stay and I think if you conduct your research, you would agree with me as well. Residents of the South East of Nigeria will have a breath of fresh air that they are properly represented as well on Wikipedia and not just artistes from Lagos and Enugu in Nigeria.

WP:MBIO. Irrespective of the fact that Jay Ikwan has had massive rotations on radio in Nigeria and continues to have same, Jay Ikwan is on rotation with BBC Radio and Voice FM right now with his latest song Skittish and was infact Southampton Home Grown Hit between 26th to July 1st of August. This hereby qualifies him and he meets this requirements as well.

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have reliable and independent sources to back up your claims? The editor whose username is Z0 07:42, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply Zo, The reliable source I believe you are referring to in this matter is mainstream media coverage. It is difficult to get this because up until recently, artistes from south east nigeria did not have this as much as artistes from Lagos. The only proof of their work is how far their catalogues date. Many of them dont even have their recorded works on digital music platforms like itunes, spotify etc because they sold physical copies of records, cd's and vinyls. This is the number one problem artistes from South East Nigeria has faced. Jay Ikwan is not the only one that has been affected by this. There are actually even more bigger artistes that sold millions of records but cannot be found on wikipedia and it is shocking. The likes of musical legends in Nigeria like the late Junior of Junior & Pretty and his bandmate Pretty who served as the president of Performing Musicians Association of Nigeria between (31 October 2014 – 1 August 2017 ), he does not have a Wikipedia article even though they shaped the music Industry. The problem has been the lack of mainstream media coverage. Blogs and independent bloggers were the ones that gave voice to this range of artistes.

As you can see, It is very difficult to provide mainstream historical evidence of artistes like this. The only fair way to judge their works is by their catalogue and how far it dates. It is only fair.

Regarding WP:MBIO, Please visit VoiceFM Radio 103.9 https://www.voicefmradio.co.uk/playlist/ and you can see clearly that as we speak, Jay Ikwan is on the playlist alongside David Guetta , Donel , Arctic Monkey, Childish Gambino – Summertime Magic, ZAYN and others.

Also visit BBC Radio http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/introducing/entries/2b9d40ad-6d31-4106-940a-c62227918ca9 and he has been playlisted and keeps getting rotations both on Radio 6 and Solent BBC .

If you need clarity in any area, please let me know and thank you for your contributions to making wikipedia an excellent encyclopedia. I appreciate the efforts people like you put into this. Momuzik (talk) 14:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: @Momuzik You're missing the purpose and eligibility of content of Wikipedia. It's funny because I use to be like this some time back. Wikipedia is not a place to push agendas such as if muslims have this, Christians must have this; or if whites have this, blacks must have this; Or if yoruba films have this, Hausa films must have it too. Addition of content is strictly by passing the Wikipedia guidelines, in this case WP:MUSICBIO. I don't agree with your suggestion of bias towards Igbo/Southeastern musicians. There are no source for Jay Ikwan because he hasn't been discussed significantly in multiple reliable sources. The likes of Flavour N'abania, Phyno, Kcee (musician), etc didn't start from Lagos, yet they have been discussed in WP:RS. There are many reliable media houses situated in the South East, if he was notable they would have written about him multiple times. If you are truly passionate about pushing this agenda to have an effect on Wikipedia then I suggest you write to the media houses to cover Igbo artists based in Igboland more. It is not Wikipedia's job to do that for you. HandsomeBoy (talk) 09:50, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@HandsomeBoy Thank you for your contribution. While I appreciate your view and I respect it, I disagree with you because the artistes you mentioned are from Enugu but ended up in Lagos to get the mainstream media coverage you are so eager about. I am talking about artistes from other parts. Jay Ikwan started in Aba but is no longer there as well. He is now in England and has been covered repeatedly by the biggest media house here, the British Broadcasting Corporation and is currently on their playlist. Yet it isnt enough for you. It is clear that there were no media houses covering music materials majorly in the south east. Your judgemental and belittling approach is highly disturbing , unprofessional as well and your comparison of christians versus muslims in a music article is even more disturbing. I am not pushing any agenda at all, far from it . Neither is it anybody's fault. I am simply trying to contribute an information that is lacking on Wikipedia. Also, why do you keep using the word "agenda" while referring to me ? Feel free to delete the article if you are so passionate about deleting it. It has zero effect on the artiste itself rather it is one more credible article lost for Wikipedia which is quite a shame. It's not really worth the back and forth debate. Thanks for your hard work.

• Kindly avoid moving the page back to the draft area. I suggest you take a copy of your article and store it on your computer for reference in the event this article is deleted. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 20:02, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete There don't appear to be any reliable sources covering this topic. Clearly not notable. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 23:54, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO in that he appears not to have received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:45, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not notable ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 14:13, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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