Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jared L. Valanzola

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jared L. Valanzola

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WP:BLP of a county councillor and local radio host, not adequately referenced as passing our notability standards for politicians or broadcasters. As always, neither serving on a county council nor hosting a local radio program in a single media market are "automatic" notability freebies that guarantee the right to an article in and of themselves, but the article is not referenced well enough to make him notable for those things -- two of the four footnotes here are primary sources (his staff profiles on the self-published websites of the county council and the radio station) that are not support for notability at all, while the two that come from media just namecheck his existence within coverage of the county council election as a whole, and thus aren't evidence that he's somehow more notable than all the other county councillors and/or candidates whose names also appear in those two articles. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have a stronger notability claim and better sourcing for it than just technical verification that he exists as a person who has jobs. Bearcat (talk) 13:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 13:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 13:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 13:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For starters, Valanzola is a county commissioner, not a county councilor. This is not the same job. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OverArmour (talk • contribs) 15:36, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The job title that a county government uses for its members makes absolutely zero difference to our notability criteria for politicians, because regardless of whether the county government is called a "council" or a "commission", it's still a county government, which is still a local office where people do not get an automatic presumption of notability just for holding it. Bearcat (talk) 16:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In some places the county commission has both legislative and executive power, so yes they are not the same. But this is Massachusetts, where very little power at all is in the county, so having legislative and executive power at that level still amounts to next to nothing. In the US terms county council, county commissioner, county judge, and county legilstor are all used. County Judges are almost all executives, but there are often multiple ones, in Utah County, Utah with roughly 300,000 people, maybe more, they have 3 county comissioners, so this is clearly an executive and legislative function, it is like how Bull Connor was one of the city comissioners in Birmingham, Alabama, he was part of a three member executive authority. However in Macomb County, Michigan before we got a county executive we had I think an 18 member county commission, for reasons I understand even less we made it smaller when we got county executive. However the county commission in Macomb County had less than full executive power, since the sheriff (over police operations on the county level and the jail system), the prosecutor (Michigan has county prosecutors instead of state district attorneys, which means the counties are the local level of crime enforcement for prosecution, the Wayne County Prosecutor, Kym Worthy is without question notable, some states divide prosecutorial districts in ways that ignore county lines, thus lessening county power), the clerk and the tresurerer, and I think even the assessor are all directly elected. I really thought the new charter should have made less of these postions directly elected and if anything increased the number of comissioners. I think Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties should rename their comissioners councilors. In Utah, Salt Lake County, which has a county mayor, also has a county council, so if you compare that to neighboring Utah county you see they are using the words with their historic meanings, in Macomb County the county seat, Mount Clemens, Michigan, is run by a commission, Warren, Michigan has a mayor/council set up, while Sterling Heights and Eastpointe have a council/city manager set up, although in Sterling Heights the mayor is directly elected to that position, but he is just the chair of the city council with any extra function fully ceremonial. The fact the other 6 members of the council are elected at large, while the mayor is elected in a one person election and the mayorial term and the council terms are the same length means that at times mayors run unopposed, because it is easier to get elected if you run for the council.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:24, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Our consensus has long been that county politicians are not presumed to be notable, and a Google news search brings up nothing except election results. Plymouth isn't even a particularly large county. Fails WP:POLITICIAN, WP:ENTERTAINER, WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. pburka (talk) 15:48, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails all the relevant notability criteria, and that's even before taking into consideration that county office is not deemed presumptively notable, that even with that county government in New England is quite weak compared to the rest of the US, and that county government in Massachusetts in particular is vestigial: in most of the state the counties have been abolished as anything other than geographical references. Plymouth County's one of about three exceptions, and even there the county commissioners don't do much more than oversee the county lockup. Whoop-de-doo. Ravenswing 22:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per pburka.--Mpen320 (talk) 23:33, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: County councillors or commissioners (i.e., local government) do not inherit notability from WP:POLITICIAN --Whiteguru (talk) 11:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no where in the US are county commissioners default notable, in Massachusetts they are pretty much default not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:12, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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