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The result was keep all (procedural). Consensus is that this AfD is trying to cover too wide a range of schools, which are distinct entities and should be evaluated by their own merits. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jack and Jill School

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Non-notable elemetary and pre-elementary schools in the Philippines. Most of them contain promotional stuff and glorious statements. Many are poorly formatted, and tagged accordingly. They are 53 in all. Moray An Par (talk) 04:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Count is down to 32. Moray An Par (talk) 13:07, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Mangagoy Free Beneficial Pre-school (MFBP) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  2. EMD Carmelite School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) No indication
  3. Our Lady of Hope Parochial School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  4. Thompson Christian School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  5. St. Bridget School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) No indication
  6. The Palmridge School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  7. St. Albert the Great School (Dagupan) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  8. Santo Nino of Lower Bicutan School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) No indication
  9. Saint-Sebastien Elementary school (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  10. St. Peter Chanel School of Cavite (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) No indication
  11. Papaya Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  12. Solo Elementary School (Mabini, Batangas) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  13. Francisco Balagtas Elementary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  14. San Pablo Central School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  15. Sekolah Santa Maria (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) No indication
  16. Sun Hwa (Filipino school) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  17. PAREF Northfield School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  18. Aldersgate Christian School of Pampanga (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  19. Canaman Central School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  20. Kubota Japanese School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) No indication
  21. Immaculate Conception Cathedral School, Cubao, Quezon City (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  22. La Verne Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  23. Mandaue City Central School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  24. Bagabag Child Development Center (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  25. Apalit Christian Ecumenical School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  26. Dadiangas West Central Elementary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  27. Felipe G. Calderon Elementary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  28. Jose Zurbito Sr. Elementary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  29. Cesar M. Cabahug Elementary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  30. Communal Elementary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  31. Immaculate Conception School for Boys (Malolos, Philippines) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) No indication
  1. JCCMI Christian Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
    Bannister Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has Grade 8, will reach Grade 12 in 2015
    Bohol Wisdom School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Teacher training college
    Bacolod Christian College of Negros (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
    Academe of St. Jude Thaddeus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) No indication
    Don Carlo Cavina School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch: ...1997 –1998, the school opened its High School Department.
    Mandaue City School for the Arts (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
    Manila Waldorf School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
    Saint Vincent of Quebiawan Integrated School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch: according to the Bureau of Secondary Education
    La Salette of Roxas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
    Great Christian Academy, Paranaque (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
    Gabriel Taborin Technical School Foundation, Inc. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) poss. High Sch
    Hillcrest Heights Institute (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) poss. High Sch
    PAREF Westbridge School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) poss. Jun. High
    Tagbilaran Accelerated Christian School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
    Don Bosco Academy, Pampanga (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch: according to alumni reports and photos, since at least 1963.
    Benito Soliven Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
    St. Paul American Christian School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
    San Vicente Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) poss. High Sch
    Our Lady of the Most Holy Rosary Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
    San Isidro Catholic School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) High Sch
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. —Moray An Par (talk) 04:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —Moray An Par (talk) 04:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can we get a bot to notify all major contributors of the articles being considered for deletion. They're quite many. I've done the trouble of substituting {{afd1}} in all the articles but I've stopped notifying major contributors at the eighth article. I got tired. Moray An Par (talk) 05:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect per usual for non-notable elementary schools. Carrite (talk) 05:13, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep all this is too many to nominate in one shot, and the first four I checked Bohol Wisdom School, Bannister Academy and Bacolod Christian College of Negros had high school components and so should be kept by established practice. Academe of St. Jude Thaddeus also seems to be beyond elementary. They are not so promotional that some eidting would not fix. So I would suggest that Moray An Par goes back and checks more carefully which ones are elementary only and then strikes the others off the list to withdrawn them from this nomination. In fact they shoould all be withdrawn if proper notification does not take place. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all and nominate each school that is non-notable separately. Keep at least all of the high schools, per WP:NHS and also per the general argument given by Jimbo Wales with specific reference to high school articles as an example. Also this list is too long. Each school's article should be given individual consideration, because the justifications will be different. I suggest that you begin by removing the high schools. --EPadmirateur (talk) 06:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Treat each school separately. There is no way to resolve this issue otherwise. A blanket delete like this just will not work. --EPadmirateur (talk) 23:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect per usual for non-notable elementary; middle, and junior high schools. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep any high schools on the list, which should then be listed at WP:WPSCH#E for further treatment. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • PROD per WP:ORG any schools left that clearly provide no indication as to what kind of school they are, have no website, and can't be traced for sources. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm sorry I wasn't aware that some schools nominated contained high school components. They've must have slipped my eyes for some reason. I'll withdraw those with high school divisions. Sorry for the inconvenience. Moray An Par (talk) 12:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: I've now spent a staggering 2 hours going through this list to annotate what the schools are. (Many of them don't even say). Those without a comment are primary/elementary schools. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:57, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sorry to have consumed your time. I've withdrawn all those with high school components. As for those that were marked as a high school or a possible high school that have not been withdrawn, can you please present your sources that indicate that they are high schools? Moray An Par (talk) 13:07, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, I do feel that where you are in the Philippines, what I was able to do, you could have done too, and perhaps more easily. It is research you ought to have done before listing them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:56, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update All major contributors of the nominated articles (except those annotated as high schools and still not withdrawn) have been informed. Moray An Par (talk) 13:34, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I am wholly in favor of deleting non notable schools, but I don't have the time to go through a list this long. I can't in good conscience ever give a nod for delete unless I have a chance to really look at an article and make some decisions ... this is just too much all at once. LonelyBeacon (talk) 13:45, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will divide my vote into three parts, precisely because this vote is complicated by the fact that several schools are on this AfD, and several of the schools listed are private schools (not public ones, which complicates the redirect process should that be successful)
    • Keep and clean up all public elementary schools as these should be automatically notable. Given that only Congress has the power to establish public schools in the Philippines by virtue of its law-making powers, these schools should automatically be notable, the same way public high schools are.
    • Keep and clean up all private schools with high school components as these should also be notable per the precedents surrounding the notability of high schools. One of the private schools not stricken off the AfD per Moray An Par's withdrawal of nomination for schools with high schools is the Immaculate Conception School for Boys (Malolos, Philippines), which has a high school component (proof: one of my classmates in the Ateneo is from ICSB).
    • Neutral but clean up all other schools since I haven't been able to give a lot of thought into them as to whether or not they should be deleted. I will probably release judgement on this later. However, I can say that if poor writing quality was such a problem, why take the effort to proceed with AfD when cleaning up the articles themselves would probably be more practical. I don't buy the argument that just because the articles are written poorly, praise and all, it becomes indicative of their non-notability and they should automatically be deleted. I really believe more thought should have been put into this AfD. --Sky Harbor (talk) 22:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all - mass nominations are wholly inappropriate for schools which merit individual consideration. If the nominator brings these back singly, then he needs to provide a specific rationale for each nomination. TerriersFan (talk) 23:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect all elementary schools To their locality or school district, which is the de facto standard for dealing with elementary or middle school articles. Keep all public high school articles, which is also a de facto notability guideline. Public schools (elementary or middle) with a high school should be kept. Edison (talk) 04:48, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with that is that the majority of the schools listed in the AfD are not public schools, but private schools. Only a handful of schools listed here are public. So what about those schools? --Sky Harbor (talk) 05:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Schools are schools whether public, non-profit (such as these), or even blatant commercial undertakings. The policies, guidelines, essays, and precedents, AFAIK, do not differentiate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Private parochial and "home" schools must be examined to make sure they are equivalent to public high schools. A "high school" with just a few students is not as deserving of a presumption of notability as a public high school with hundreds of students which has been around for many decades. Edison (talk) 20:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Non-notable schools. Keb25 (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - really? Please explain for each school what searches you have carried out for sources. TerriersFan (talk) 15:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Thompson Christian School, which had references at the time of nomination showing that it is a high school. As for the rest, just close this discussion without prejudice to future individual nomination. There's no way that a single discussion about so many schools can come to a sensible conclusion, especially when the nominator has made no effort to establish what type of schools they are. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:09, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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