Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Wilshere

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The result was delete. PhilKnight (talk) 22:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Wilshere (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Young footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never actually played in a fully professional league. Article has already been deleted once via prod for the same reasno. Was prodded again, but removed by an IP making their first edit with the rationale "This player is a hot prospect and one of the most well known Arsenal reserve players, this article should remain on Wikipedia as the player is predicted to become a leading star in England", which of course is a WP:CRYSTAL violation). пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom and all the previous AFDs. --Angelo (talk) 11:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE, and no reliable sources found to get him through the more general criteria either, just lots of blogs, forums (fora?) and Arsenal fansites. Having enormous potential means nothing, they said the same about Sonny Pike -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you name the last Arsenal player who had a professional contract with the club but never made a first team appearance in a fully professional league? Anyway the irony is, if this guy were playing for a Championship club right now he would have made his first team debut already (he looks like a left-footed, shorter version of Aaron Ramsey) so we are essentially penalizing him for having too much potential at too young an age... ugen64 (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm sure there are plenty. Off the top of my head I can think of Terry Bowes (signed for Ipswich from Arsenal, but never played for them either). пﮟოьεԻ 57 16:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • My 1990/91 NotW Annual lists a John Bacon as being a member of the Arsenal first-team squad, he doesn't seem to have ever played a professional match for them or anyone else. And if we expand the criteria to other clubs of a similar standing, the same annual lists a Mark Black in the Liverpool squad, who similarly appears to have disappeared without a trace. Like you say, there's probably others........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just for information, and as stated in the article, this is a 16-year-old boy who doesn't have a professional contract with Arsenal; they expect him to sign one next year when he turns 17, and becomes old enough to do so. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - recreate this page if and when he makes his competitive first team debut... friendlies don't count! Bettia (rawr CRUSH!) 12:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as he fails WP:ATHLETE. Recreate if and when he plays in a fully-pro competition or league fulfulling the criteria. --Jimbo^[online] 12:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Once he has seen professional action or gets enough coverage beforehand, recreate. rootology (T) 13:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 16:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:Athlete. References are very poor too, two blogs and the club's website. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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