Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isra Hirsi

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The result was keep. Keep, passes GNG and can be improved using WP:BASIC. Thanks everyone for your participation and assuming good faith! Missvain (talk) 16:02, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Isra Hirsi

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Subject is a minor child of a famous politician, receiving a very small bit of coverage that she otherwise would not if it was not for the famous relative. Should e deleted per WP:NOTINHERITED Zaathras (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:28, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - this individual is noted by numerous national publications for their work in the American environmental movement besides being the daughter of a member of Congress. I've added more references documenting notability. –Tod Robbins (talk) 00:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No sustained coverage or other notable activities, doesn't meet WP:GNG. She is primarily "famous," or rather, covered in a couple news pieces, because she is the daughter of a high-profile and controversial congresswoman. Little indication of genuine independent notability other than a single Vice piece, which mentions the mother extensively. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 02:22, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep NOTINHERITED is intended to keep out articles about subjects that are only covered in the context of a more notable related subject. That Hirsi would likely have received less attention from the press (or fewer opportunities for leadership in climate activism) had she not been the daughter of Ilhan Omar is not something that we should be taking into consideration here. Incidentally, this was a mistake that I made a bit over a year ago, when I nominated an article about a grandson of Nelson Mandela for deletion. Coverage like this goes a long way toward establishing notability, and it's hardly the only example of significant coverage in an independent source. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 03:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How does the subject independently meet WP:GNG? There is a complete absence of substantial or WP:SUSTAINED coverage. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 05:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Vice piece covers her in the context of her leadership of an ongoing, notable activist movement. Based on the coverage already available, I don't think Hirsi meets the antecedent in the advice described in SUSTAINED: If reliable sources cover a person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having a biographical article on that individual.––I think that even the existing coverage is beyond the context of a single event, and it's pretty clear that Hirsi is not keeping a low profile.

WP:SUSTAINED (which, nitpicking, is not part of GNG) is more about keeping out flash-in-a-pan WP:BLP1E cases like "twin girls separated at birth reunited", minor events with no long term significance (adorable cat given cool looking prosthetic legs!) and other viral stories with no long term importance. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 05:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

it's pretty clear that Hirsi is not keeping a low profile Predictions are a dime a dozen and there's no indication the subject has lasting notability. As for my "nitpicking," WP:SUSTAINED is part of the overall policy on notability, as are WP:GNG. Both take weight in considering whether the subject deserves a page. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 13:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

However, SUSTAINED uses the example of "Brief bursts of news coverage" as the standard to check against. Multiple in-depth stories about a subject over a couple of months does not really sound like "Brief bursts of news coverage" to me, does it? SUSTAINED also points to WP:NEVENT for more details, a SNG which mentions diversity of sources (check), "coverage beyond a relatively short news cycle" (check) and "significant or in-depth coverage" (check) as indicators for notability. Regards So Why 13:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikieditor19920, I meant that I was nitpicking. You're right that all notability guidelines are relevant, I was just pointing out that it's incorrect to say that SUSTAINED is part of GNG. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:12, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not voting at this time, don't know if I will, but my ask to the closing admin is that if the outcome is delete, instead consider restoring the redirect to Ilhan Omar#Personal life, much like I had created the redirect before it was spun off. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Passes WP:GNG with multiple in-depth articles (Vice, Grist, City Pages). Notability is about her role in US Youth Climate Strike and as User:Rosguill noted, although the coverage might be increased due to her relation to Ilhan Omar, this makes her notable in her own right. Achaea (talk) 06:56, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:NOTINHERITED is in itself not a valid reason for deletion. Failing WP:GNG would be but in this case, the subject seems to have attracted sufficient coverage to pass WP:GNG or at least WP:BASIC. Does she receive a lot of coverage mainly because of who her mother is? Most likely. But it's not our job to chastise reliable sources for why they cover a subject as long as they do cover it substantially. In addition to the coverage already mentioned, there is also The Root, Jacobin, The Wrap, New York's The Cut and even The Weather Channel for example. That appears to be sufficient to meet the bar of both GNG and BASIC. Regards So Why 12:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources, notable awards and organization. Gamaliel (talk) 15:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Snow Keep, meets GNG with non-routine coverage. Quidster4040 (talk) 19:03, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The coverage still in the main goes back to who her mother is, notability is not inherited.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:59, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The question that we should ask ourselves is this: "At what point does Charles, Prince of Wales cease to simply be the eldest son of Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom and become notable in his own right?" Maria Shriver, Paris Hilton, Kylie Jenner and Kelly Osbourne are all now notable figures, but there once was a time when they were not. The cachet of being related to a famous person was an important factor in their initial successes, and yet they all managed to keep their pages for long enough to make their own marks. If Miss Hirsi is a leader of the climate change activist movement, then she has as much right to keep her page as Greta Thunberg does. O.ominirabluejack (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Let's look at the nomination statement. I would suggest that "receiving a very small bit of coverage" is incorrect and instead, I judge the amount of coverage as meeting WP:GNG. And to say that she gets "coverage that she otherwise would not if it was not for the famous relative" is irrelevant; since when have we cared why somebody gets coverage? Schwede 66 18:47, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the article requires some refining (it leans too much on WP:PRIMARY-inflected sources for my liking), but the subject meets WP:GNG, WP:BIO on the basis of the Vice article and National Geographic coverage. SamHolt6 (talk) 19:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - passes GNG with the significant coverage. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 05:12, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.