Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamic bicycle

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No significant advancements have been made on the rename target since the relist, so WP:RM is the way to go. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:38, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic bicycle

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Does not exist Chidgk1 (talk) 10:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Islam and Cycling. Chidgk1 (talk) 10:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To seek more inputs this discussion has been intimated @ WT:WOMRED , WT:CYCLING , WT:ISLAM Bookku (talk) 11:24, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: See no reason to delete -- sourced from multiple prominent, reliable secondary sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelmalak (talk • contribs)
Delete: What does an Islamic bicycle mean? If there is anything that merits inclusion on Wikipedia, it should be included on any relevant page but this type of a bicycle is not enough notable. ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:36, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge here since seperate article seems to be not significant to the topic and posses WP:RS merge to Bicycle --> Religious Implications Pranesh Ravikumar (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Women in Islam or Bicycling and feminism would better places to mergeChidgk1 (talk) 15:03, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion either merge in Women in Islam or here but in case of standalone article then as other editors suggested Islamic view on bicycling or some kind of works due to it has WP:SIGCOV Pranesh Ravikumar (talk)
Keep Several references from notable and diverse publications. The controversy continues within the Islamic community. Jason from nyc (talk) 14:56, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Does it? The most recent cite in the article is from 2016 Chidgk1 (talk) 15:05, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Chidgk1 You yourself seem to have referred Alon Raab's 'Women cycling in the Middle East' in Cycling in Turkey. Is it possible for yourself to work on expansion of this article by renaming to 'Women cycling in the Muslim world' Bookku (talk) 11:46, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No sorry too much else to do Chidgk1 (talk) 12:39, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rename Most important AFD seem to fail WP:BEFORE, besides a) Women biking in general too has enough to cover in encyclopedia b) Pinar Tremblay says ".. Cycling in public is a contested issue in Islam. In 2007, an “Islamic bicycle” became the focus of intense debate in Turkey. .." Ref. c) Google scholar gives enough results for "bike" "Muslim women" d) Following were found @ google books. Bookku (talk) 16:07, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I do want to buy a new bike - so I asked in all the sports shops in this devout city BEFORE I realised there is no such thing as an Islamic bicycle! Chidgk1 (talk) 12:53, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ha ha, that's good humor, though @ WP we are supposed to go by RS and not by what is available or not in near by markets ;) As @Mccapra says ".. The article is about Islamic views on women cycling (depressingly there are many, many of these) .." (in my words 'Women cycling in the Muslim world'). As per WP:BEFORE before starting AFD one is expects to see if other RS are available for content in the article and whether the article could be improved instead of deletion. Pranesh also says the article has WP:SIGCOV. Yourself used refs in other cycling articles. I have included list of books. Google scholar indicates existence of papers. Then at least half a dozen RS news media articles would be around. That's why I said this deletion proposal seem to fail WP:BEFORE. Bookku (talk) 13:20, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Sakai, Minako, and Fauzia, Amelia. Women Entrepreneurs and Business Empowerment in Muslim Countries. Switzerland, Springer International Publishing.(2022) Page 228.
- Being Muslim in Central Asia: Practices, Politics, and Identities. Netherlands, Brill, 2018. Page 244, 245.
- Wray, J. Harry. Pedal Power: The Quiet Rise of the Bicycle in American Public Life. United Kingdom, Taylor & Francis, 2015. Page 48
- Also: Wadjda; Women, Work and Transport. United Kingdom, Emerald Publishing Limited, 2022.; Routledge Companion to Cycling. N.p., Taylor & Francis.
Rename. There is no such thing as an Islamic bicycle. The article is about Islamic views on women cycling (depressingly there are many, many of these) so suggest renaming to Islamic views on women cycling or similar. Mccapra (talk) 16:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The cited USA Today headline literally says "Islamic bicycle" Michaelmalak (talk) 16:37, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
IMO renaming can give encyclopedic coverage to wider aspects. Bookku (talk) 16:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the words exist but the thing does not. The fact that someone is discussing inventing something or hoping that someone else invents it doesn’t make it notable. Anyway if the actual bicycle is the topic then most of the article content is off topic it is not in fact about an imaginary Islamic bicycle. Mccapra (talk) 16:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mccapra I would suggest rename title to be Women biking in Muslim world since from SA, Turkey to Indonesia every global region we would find different practice and argument. Bookku (talk) 16:39, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The title proposed by Mccapra looks more convenient to me. In such a sense more stuff can be incorporated into the article such as this, this and this. I mean there is a variety of Muslim scholars - both traditional and secular on this. But Islamic bicycle is something "imaginary", as @Mccapra notes. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If it must be renamed, "bicycling" avoids the ambiguity of "biking". Michaelmalak (talk) 18:27, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I still prefer deletion but if you vote to keep the content I would prefer a merge rather than rename. Anyway the picture does not fit your proposed title Chidgk1 (talk) 12:46, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If a name change is needed, that can be decided on the talk page. AfD is not the place for that. But the subject is clearly notable with significant news coverage over time.

"Peddling religion: Why secular academics fret about an "Islamic bicycle"". The Economist. September 15, 2012. Retrieved December 20, 2022.
"'Islamic bike' proposed by Turkish scholars". Hürriyet Daily News. September 14, 2012. Retrieved December 20, 2022.
"طراحی دوچرخه ویژه زنان در ایران" [Bicycle design for women in Iran]. BBC Persian (in Persian). May 17, 2007. Retrieved December 20, 2022.
Tremblay, Pinar (September 29, 2015). "Pedal power gets Turkish makeover". Al-Monitor. Retrieved December 20, 2022.
Lloyd, Sophie (October 25, 2016). "A Woman's Right to Bike". Ms. Retrieved December 20, 2022.
Mehrabi, Ehsan (October 22, 2020). "مخالفت با دوچرخه سواری زنان در ایران؛" دختر تهرانی مثل دختر چینی نیست"" [Opposition to women cycling in Iran; "A Tehran girl is not like a Chinese girl"]. BBC Persian (in Persian). Retrieved December 20, 2022.
"تصویب ساخت دوچرخه اسلامی ویژه بانوان" [Approval of the production of Islamic bicycles for women]. Asriran (in Persian). February 26, 2018. Retrieved December 20, 2022.
"تصویر طرح پیشنهادی دوچرخه اسلامی بانوان" [The image of the proposed design of the women's Islamic bicycle]. Tabnak.ir (in Persian). November 5, 2011. Retrieved December 20, 2022.

We can also consider the Persian Wikipedia article on this topic. Silver seren^C 01:29, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A name change was discussed twice on the talk page years ago but nobody was interested enough to actually rename Chidgk1 (talk) 14:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but rename from an imaginary concept to a real issue: "Women cycling and Islam" or similar. PamD 07:43, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note also Bicycling and feminism#Bicycle rallies 21 Century Pakistan which needs some serious copy-editing. PamD 07:48, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I believe there is a consensus to Keep but also Rename with several options mentioned. While this is typically discussed on the article talk page, I'm going to relist this discussion for a week because I fear after this discussion is closed, interested editors will just move on to the next article. So, over the next few days, let's see if we can come to a consensus on either an appropriate rename or whether the content should be Merged and, if so, where.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:32, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the decision is to keep I would like to merge into Bicycling and feminism Chidgk1 (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A merge to Bicycling and feminism sounds right. There is not in fact a kind of bicycle known as an Islamic bicycle, but there are issues regarding bicycles and the social status of women that have played out in varying cultures, one after another. BD2412 T 02:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is not in fact a kind of bicycle known as an Islamic bicycle

The sources I posted above prove literally the exact opposite and that the production of them was approved in 2018. Silver seren^C 03:17, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.