Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iraqi Armenian

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was a long, complicated series of merges to Iraqi diaspora. Consensus here was that if an article consisted solely of content related to the diaspora, it should be in the diaspora article (rather than forking off). After reviewing the articles listed below and the others which were a part of Template:Iraqi diaspora, the following articles have been merged, as their content only related to the Iraqi diaspora:

Note that this list includes all of the article listed at this AfD. Other articles linked to from the template contained content beyond that relating to the diaspora, and were left alone. If anyone is interested in following the development of this article, head over to Talk:Iraqi diaspora. Tijuana Brass (talk) 02:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iraqi Armenian

I'm nominating for deletion a bunch of pages from Template:Iraqi diaspora because rather trivial numbers of people (<2,000 in all cases except Switzerland, where it's 5,000) are being described. (The Russia article claims 150,000 Iraqis, but no evidence of this is present in the link supplied, and in any case the subject is temporary workers, who by nature are a transitory lot and not destined for especial notability.) Not only that, but in all these instances it appears these populations have only really existed for about five years, and the great majority seem to be refugees - ie, not citizens, people who will probably return to Iraq in due time. Granted, one or more of these groups could become notable in the future, but as it stands now, that is simply not the case. (See also Talk:Iraqis in Romania for more on the subject.) If users find some of these notable and some not, or want to nominate more from the template, I'm flexible as to which precisely should be deleted, but the point is that at least some of these should go. Biruitorul (talk) 17:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages:

Delete: Not that it matters, but I'm Armenian and I still think this page needs to go. It is not notable enough to warrant inclusion. Cheers! --SimpleParadox (talk) 17:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all to Iraqi diaspora. There is a real problem of under-representation with the figures though: the source that many of these articles give is the UNHCR statistics for "recognized refugees, asylum seekers and other Iraqis who may be in need of international protection" - in the case of Germany (not on your list) the figure for Iraqi immigrants is another 60% on top of those who qualify under the UNHCR definition. Would it be an idea to get some input from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Iraq? --Paularblaster (talk) 21:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I think getting in touch with someone from there would be a fine idea. Biruitorul (talk) 23:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as non-notable at this time. Karanacs (talk) 22:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all or Merge all into Iraqi diaspora, while clarifying that temporary refugees are not actually diaspora per se. Dahn (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Size of population, manner of arrival, length of residence, or citizenship status are not notability/non-notability criteria. Notability consists of multiple instances of non-trivial coverage in reliable sources. "temporary workers, who by nature are a transitory lot and not destined for especial notability" --- quite false, populations of temporary workers can easily become notable, see Iranians in Japan or Mongolians in South Korea. cab (talk) 04:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, fine, let's just say there's no evidence in the article that there are 150,000 Iraqis in Russia. "Multiple instances..." is indeed what the guideline says, but that doesn't mean we can't be flexible and use some common sense either. We have here a bunch of cookie-cutter articles, all of the variety "X country has had Y Iraqi refugees since 2003" - not very illuminating, and considering the transitory nature of refugees, not of much lasting notability either (and we already have a Refugees of Iraq article). Biruitorul (talk) 14:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all into Iraqi diaspora per above points. --Shark face 217 22:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all as suggested, but if retained, Iraqi Armenian should be renamed for consistency Iraqis in Armenia, but it would be much better to lose the lot (by merger). Peterkingiron (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all, I think merging is a good idea, also per user:Peterkingiron if Iraqi Armenian was retained,It should be renamed in order not to be confused with Armenians in Iraq--Aziz1005 (talk) 18:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You mean in the same way that people keep confusing African Americans with Americans in Africa? :o) --Paularblaster (talk) 12:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all into Iraqi diaspora. We don't need separate articles. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]