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The result was delete. — Coffee // have a cup // essay // 04:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Erix

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Despite the article's claims (and see the history for more extravagant and equally unverified claims), I don't believe that this person is notable. If indeed he is a music and reality TV star, how come this is all that Google News has to offer? This was added by an editor, but that doesn't sound very independent or objective (despite being mirrored on AllMusic)--and I find it odd that I can find no reliable verification for this "major chart hit" "Confessions of a Killer." Drmies (talk) 19:20, 28 February 2011 (UTC) Drmies (talk) 19:20, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(User Sandradaba posted the following response but I beleive it was put in the wrong place so I am copying and pastin it below.) 69.113.134.143 (talk) 07:46, 1 March 2011 (UTC) — 69.113.134.143 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

The link above was previously included as a source but has been removed several times during revisions. I believe this link alone is enough to prove the notability of Ian Erix. The MTV Network is one of the most famous and respected music aficionados in the world and a global broadcaster and media outlet that is currently featuring music, performances, and interviews by Ian Erix on their channels and websites as well as posting information on him. In my opinion, you simply cannot be a featured artist on MTV and be considered non-notable.

Furthermore, user Drmies claims alack of Google News stories is sufficent evidence that Erix is not a notable enough music star. This is a completely unfair assumption. Before the Ian Erix page was edited by Drmies it actually read that Ian Erix gained most of his popularity in Asia and parts of Europe which is where his first album was released. These are places where English is not a primary language or used at all and therefore stories written about Ian Erix in Chinese, Japanese or Russian, for example, would not show up in Google News, especially when doing a search utilizing characters from the English alphabet which are not used in those countries. Additionally, I am not sure how long news stories are kept live in Google News but Ian's first album release was in 2005 which was about 5 years ago so many stories may have already timed out.

Regardless, the fact remains that there are many ways to prove that Ian Erix is a notable person who should be more than qualified to have a Wikipedi aarticle on him and numerous sources to prove such have been sited in his page before the revisions were made by user Drmies. Billboard.com, the online home to Billboard Magazine lists Ian Erix in their artist database and in their short syndicated bio they refer to his launch in Europe and Asia, his role on a reality TV series as well as his Top 10 chart success with his song and album.http://www.billboard.com/#/artist/ian-erix/695708

Moreover, evidence of Ian's notorietery and popularity can be seen on his various social network sites which are his official pages that were linked to the article prior to the revision made by user Drmies. On his Bebo page, Erix has over 200 thousand registered fans www.bebo.com/ianerix and on his Myspace page www.msypace.com/ianerix he has over 100 thousand fans and millions of song plays. Those 2 official social network pages alone prove that he has a considerable following consisting of well over a quarter of a million people. That in itself should justify a claim of notability for Wikipedia.

In addition, user Drmies calls into question the fact that Ian Erix has actually appeared in reality television programming despite the fact that a link to a video clip of the TV series was posted as one of the sources. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmtE0_jS3cc If you click the link, you will see a 7 minute clip of the TV series entitled Journey Of A Rock Star, starring Ian Erix. It is impossible to deny that. The Ian Erix article never claimed that the TV series was #1 in it's time slot or that it was the most successful series in the world. If it did, then I could understand flagging it for propaganda-like phrasing. However, the article only claimed that Ian was starring in the series and that is a simple, neutral and verifiable fact. www.ianerix.com/journeyofarockstar

I could elaborate here even furhter but I do believe that I have already suffiently proven that user Drmies has made a mistake in recommending this page for deletion. I ask that you remove it as a candidate for deletion at once. Additionally, I would like to inform you that I intend on replacing some of the wording which was removed during several revisions. I will take every measure to make sure that I write in a neutral tone and I will make sure that proper sources are sited. I do kindly ask that Drmies and other editors respect any revisions I make that are properly sourced. I am not looking to turn this into a trivial back and forth argument. As Wikipedia clearly states in its own guidelines, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth; that is, whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true".

Thank you.

  • Delete - The only available coverage that can even be described as possibly an independent reliable source is the All music profile that seems to have been copied all over the place. The assertion that he has hits in other countries is not substantiated beyond this one All music guide profile. If there is coverage in non-English sources, please bring them forward as there is close to zero in English. -- Whpq (talk) 16:17, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:18, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep

The person nominating this article for deletion has even himself admitted that there is an independant reliable source citing Ian Erix as a recognized music artist of merit with chart hits in other countries. Who is he to second guess what All Music Guide has published about Ian Erix? The fact that you can easily find numerous media on Ian Erix in an online search such as professionally created music videos, clips from TV shows, and appearances on MTV it makes it painfully obvious that Ian Erix has some sort of professional music career, at the very least. At this link alone you can see several music videos of his that have receieved hundreds of thousands of video views by the public. [1]

It makes perfect sense like another user stated that since Ian's music was released in China or Russia or Japan that an English google search would not turn up as many links as would had the music gotten a full release in English speaking countries. This fact is perfectly aligned with what All Music Guide states. His first album was released in parts of Asia and Europe where they dont speak English.

But Ian Erix does have 13 songs featured on itunes in English [2] and has announced on his website [www.ianerix.com] that he has a new album coming out for America and is planning a world tour.

At the very least, he must be considered a public figure by Wikipedia since he has released music to the public, and has appeared in professional music videos, interviews, performances and TV Shows. [3] It is also easily established by looking at his official social network pages like Bebo and MySpace that he has almost half a million fans follwoing him. He certainly more than meets the requirements to keep a page on him here and I believe this entire nomination for deletion is frivoulous. Brokeradar222 (talk) 05:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Nobody doubts that Ian Erix has a musical career. At issue is whether this article meets the inclusion guidelines in general, or specifically for musicians. This can be established with sources writing about him, and not by linking to video clips of his performance. -- Whpq (talk) 14:05, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "'Keep"' - Reply to your "'Comment"' - It has already been proven that sources have written about him. Links to All Music Guide, Billboard, and MTV were provided above and cited in the original article. The MTV link is not only a performance video, but there is information written and published about Ian Erix by MTV and obviously they are a huge media outlet so that should certainly carrie a lot of weight. See the words they published about him here: http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/ian-erix I honestly don't understand how this can even be a debate at this point. Ian Erix meets many of the general inclusion guidelines for musicians. If that's not enough, here are some more links to published articles about Ian Erix, one of them is from one of the biggest celebrity magazines in the USA. While I realize that some may consider Star Magazine a tabloid, it doesn't change the fact that they have published articles on Ian Erix and that they are talking about him and that means besides meeting the Wikipedia guidelines to be included as a musician, he also meets guidelines to be included as a public figure. Again, I don't understand why this page should be nominated for deletion. It doesn't make any sense as there has been more than enough proof provided that it should be kept. Additional links are : http://indiependentmusic.blogspot.com/2006/07/ian-erix-for-conformity-album-review.html , http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qRZZf3sCj34/TDFe95nqZWI/AAAAAAAAAAM/tBmrFJDDpTM/s1600/star.jpg] and http://wildwritings.homestead.com/InterviewArchive/InterviewIanErix.html

Brokeradar222 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC).[reply]

  • Keep - I have read the inclusion guidelines in general, and specifically for musicians, and I believe that this article now meets the guidlines. The guidelines state that at least one criteria for [[WP:BAND|musicians] must be met and I do believe it has. As editors have made a good faith effort to re-write the article in a neutral tone, and since the articles meets the criteria for established musicians, I move to close the discsussion on the proposed deletion of this article. Giftlists123 (talk) 03:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC) — Giftlists123 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Delete. No evidence whatsoever that this person passes any of the notability criteria at WP:MUSICBIO. Those here who assert that it does will have to name which of the criteria it meets and provide evidence for it rather than asserting over and over again that it does. I have not found anything on the internet about him that wasn't generated or written by him or mirroring this Wikipedia article or his own publicity blurbs. The fact that he offers his music for sale and does something in public does not make him a "public figure". His "TV series" is homemade. Can someone please explain which television station or major internet media actually broadcast this? Who produced it? Who has reviewed it in a notable independent publication? His MTV live session is specifically in the section for "emerging artists" and "future stars". It seems any member can upload one of their live sessions. MTV doesn't appear to be selective about these videos either. They currently have 79,473 of them. The Billboard reference is completely spurious—simply a copy of his standad publicity blurb. Click on the "Chart History" tab there: "This artist hasn't charted yet, but keep checking Billboard for the latest updates." Voceditenore (talk) 13:00, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per voceditenore.4meter4 (talk) 13:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - per nom. Non-notable.  -- WikHead (talk) 20:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepComment Voceditenore's comment above regarding MTV is absolutely erroneous. MTV is very selective of anyone appearing on their network and Ian Erix appeared in their London Studio where he filmed his live session. The idea that it was filmed in his bedroom or something and self uploaded is absurd. MTV is not a community for amatuer artists and it is a complete lie that 79,000 people have uploaded a video session to MTV like his. It is just completely and totally unfactual. It is true that MTV UK has an emerging artist section. Most new artists who are getting buzz when they first appear on the channel are featured in that section. Acts like Fall Out Boy, Bruno Mars, Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga all appear in this section and they all remain listed there to this day even after they have exploded into mainstream worldwide fame. See the MTV section here http://www.mtv.co.uk/music/live-sessions/browse - All their artist sessions are listed alphabetically and you will find there is a small amount of proefessional performers, maybe 100 or so and Ian Erix is right there in the list with them. Furthermore, if you go to to www.mtv.co.uk and type Ian Erix into the search field, you will see he comes up as a featured artist on MTV. MTV does not feature any random Tom, Dick or Harry that uploads a video so Voceditenore statement that his work on MTV is self published is completely ridicolous and untrue and anyone who knows anything about the music industry knows that. Additioanly, in their official artist section, MTV UK published the following statement about Ian Erix "Ian Erix is an international Pop Punk rock star. An American bloke, with top ten singles already under his belt in parts of Europe, Asia and Africa, his brand of infectious Emo/Punk/Powerpop music is on course to launch worldwide with the debut of his interactive television series, "Journey Of A Rock Star". Brokeradar222 (talk) 21:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment And since MTV is an independant media outlet that is well known and respected music auhtority aroudn the world, they are a reliable source and should be considered as such and the written information they published on Ian Erix should go to his notabilty. Here is a link to what I copied above about Ian Erix from MTV. http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/ian-erix Brokeradar222 (talk) 21:39, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I stand corected. I was misled by the search results. There are about 150 Live session videos. Having said that, MTV has the same empty blurb that appears at Last FM and Sound Maven. I have yet to see any evidence that he has had a top 10 single, despite the claims. He's an emerging artist, not an emerged one as evidenced by the continued inability of the article's editors to provide multiple independent reliable sources which attest to his notability. Provide the evidence for him passing even one of the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO and I'll change my opinion. Voceditenore (talk) 22:21, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This disucssion can quite simply be summed up by following the Wikipeida Guidelines.

1)First and most importantly, please note the first paragaph taken from WP:VERIFY reads: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth; that is, whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true".

Therefore, I submit that the following two sources, All Music Guide[[4]]and MTV [[5]], should be sufficent enough to justify a Keep.

2)As listed in the Wikipedia Guidelines for songwriters here: WP:COMPOSER, Ian Erix has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition. His writing and subsequent major label publishing of the songs can be verified at this link [6]

Warner is a major label and publisher and Erix is listed on their roster in Scandinavia. Erix has written "Confessions Of A Killer" and the album from which it was taken, and according to All Music Guide, it has been notable in foreign countries. All Music Guide is listed as a most reputable source by Wikipedia and again as per WP:VERIFY there is no cause to loook beyond that.

(Note: You may have to log in to the Warner Bros. website to view the roster as their content is protected, however, the information is public and it is free to log-in) Krties (talk) 00:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)— Krties (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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