Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Houston Nightlife
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 04:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Houston Nightlife
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WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - WP:NOT#DIRECTORY is indeed correct. --tennisman 02:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - This is a new article and just needs to be expanded. I'm sure after some work, it will certainly resemble other articles such as Nightlife in Paris, Nightlife in Canberra, Montreal night life, Entertainment in Delhi, Nightclubs in Greece,etc... which apparently are not directories? Postoak 02:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - As the creator of this article, it was not my intention to create a directory and made a special effort to word it as such. This is not a directory, but part of a growing list that will evolve that is relevant instructions on where in the city visitors can go. It doesn't list specific businesses or clubs. So it's NOT a directory.--Hourick 02:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So it's meant to be a travel guide; do you have any sourcing that would contradict the extrapolation from Nielsen's data that would show that most Houstonians (like most Americans) are watching tv as their nightlife? As of 2005, the avg US household had the tv on for 8 hrs 11 mins per day;[1] with work and sleep, doesn't leave much time for an alternate night life. Carlossuarez46 19:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletions. -- -- pb30<talk> 02:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Doesn't appear to be any more of a directory than the articles cited by Postoak. This article doesn't even have specific locations (bars, nightclubs, etc.) as of yet.--Ispy1981 02:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete While certainly the directory concern is valid, I am concerned that this article will be against WP:NOT#IINFO No 2, travel guides. I also have no fondness for any of the other of the articles linked. I would not object to them being deleted. None of them have significant sources(if any), and I don't see any encyclopedic content in any of them. Heck, Nightlife doesn't even have any sources. I don't know if it's possible to fix that, and produce a real encyclopedic article, but IF so, I would suggest changing the focus from listing individual nightspots and covering the history in Houston. And I would insist on using reliable sources as well. FrozenPurpleCube 03:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sure that was the goal of the editor who created the article. I would have contributed to get it there. But it seems others are hell bent to delete articles before giving them a chance to be expanded. I guess it's no use to continue. Postoak 04:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If you really believe an encyclopedic article on this subject can be constructed, there's nothing stopping you from doing so in userspace. Heck, if you can really improve it within the next few days, it might be kept anyway. But I'd honestly suggest starting from scratch anyway. This isn't exactly a good base to start from, it's nothing more than a guide to a few clubs in Houston. I don't think that's a good idea for Wikipedia, as it's not offering much that is encyclopedic. It may be appropriate for a travel guide, but don't you think folks might want a longer-term perspective than that? I would. It's nice to believe that's the intent of this article, but it doesn't seem so from what I can tell. It might also be better to try to work on the Culture of Houston page as this subject would clearly be a subset of that, and I'd say that page itself needs work. FrozenPurpleCube 05:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your advice, I appreciate the feedback. We can start again on Wikipedia:Wikiproject Houston space. I didn't create this article, but I did want to expand it and include more historical perspective. Houston is an international city and each area/culture could have been developed with respect to entertainment. I believe that this is how Hourick wanted the article to evolve. Perhaps the title should have been "Entertainment areas of Houston" or something more appropriate. It is frustrating when an article gets deleted before given a chance to be expanded, but I guess that's the way things work here. Thanks again, Postoak 20:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I think the biggest problem is how this article started out. It doesn't impress me as being a truly historical review, but a contemporary travel guide. That's a big strike against it. FrozenPurpleCube 02:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your advice, I appreciate the feedback. We can start again on Wikipedia:Wikiproject Houston space. I didn't create this article, but I did want to expand it and include more historical perspective. Houston is an international city and each area/culture could have been developed with respect to entertainment. I believe that this is how Hourick wanted the article to evolve. Perhaps the title should have been "Entertainment areas of Houston" or something more appropriate. It is frustrating when an article gets deleted before given a chance to be expanded, but I guess that's the way things work here. Thanks again, Postoak 20:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If you really believe an encyclopedic article on this subject can be constructed, there's nothing stopping you from doing so in userspace. Heck, if you can really improve it within the next few days, it might be kept anyway. But I'd honestly suggest starting from scratch anyway. This isn't exactly a good base to start from, it's nothing more than a guide to a few clubs in Houston. I don't think that's a good idea for Wikipedia, as it's not offering much that is encyclopedic. It may be appropriate for a travel guide, but don't you think folks might want a longer-term perspective than that? I would. It's nice to believe that's the intent of this article, but it doesn't seem so from what I can tell. It might also be better to try to work on the Culture of Houston page as this subject would clearly be a subset of that, and I'd say that page itself needs work. FrozenPurpleCube 05:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a travel guide. Thanks for pointing out those other articles, which I will now nominate for Afd. Clarityfiend 04:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Unlike Montreal night life, this is a travel guide. Take it to Wikitravel. Corvus cornix 17:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Amazing. You say the Houston article is a travel guide however Montreal night life isn't. Please clarify. The Houston nightlife article is in essentially the same format at the Montreal article. Both articles define nightlife centers within the city. It just happens that the Houston article is newly created and undeveloped. A stub..i.n outline form. Shouldn't the Montreal article "take it to Wikitravel" also? Let's be fair here. Postoak 19:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete like the other night life articles. Carlossuarez46 19:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete there is an intrinsic problem with this article & most of the others mentioned--how to say something meaningful without getting into spam. The only article mentioned that I think would make sense is Paris. DGG 03:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.