Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hollie Chapman
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy keep/Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 17:11, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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Non notable actress, No evidence of notability - Trivial mentions but nothing substantial, Fails NACTOR & GNG –Davey2010Talk 20:10, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
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Veto, Main cast in a series, which was aired international. And a long time main voice in The Archers of the BBC, which is also known international. Here and there little roles. It's enough. --Soenke Rahn (talk) 20:17, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Being in a show that aired internationally means nothing - Many actresses have been in the exact same spot as Hollie and most if not all have been deleted regardless, Also just to note you were the creator so ofcourse you'd !vote Keep .... I still maintain she fails NACTOR as well as GNG. –Davey2010Talk 20:26, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
I see it still different, but I have made the article shorter. I must say it was one of my first articles I have made, to a topic I think it was clear that the relevance is there. I think she is relevant because Do not blame Me was an international aired series, especially in Australia, Germany and England. And she plays a role in the Archers, how I said above. All the other things are interesting, nothing more. I think that it is "not" common that such actor article are erased in the past etc. How ever the clicks on it also not less: https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-30&pages=Hollie_Chapman I think since 2009 the article was clicked by a lot of persons. I suppose, today persons which looking for her in general to the BBC-Acting. However I think the article is useful and relevant. --Soenke Rahn (talk) 20:42, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Having significant regular cast member roles on both The Archers and Don't Blame Me already indicates passing WP:NACTOR. The significant coverage from the Melton Times and another BBC piece further indicates notability. [1] --Oakshade (talk) 20:59, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- I would hardly call a role in a 5 month tv programme as "significant" ....,
- This is a great source however being in one programme combined with this one source should not be any justification for keeping an article, If you could provide reliable and independent sources that establishes notability I'd be more than happy to withdraw, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 21:11, 25 Feb
- 26 episodes is most certainly significant. Original network airing duration is just a red herring. --Oakshade (talk) 21:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree, 26 isn't really much at all. –Davey2010Talk 23:21, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not sure you understand the television business, but 26 episodes is more than an average entire season. Fawlty Towers had literally 12 episodes total with an original airing duration cumulating less than 2 months. The Office had only 14 episodes total. This person was the star of a show that even you admit is a 26 episode show with its initial airing going 5 months. By emphasizing this person stared in a 26 episode series and that show's original airing duration is actually further demonstrating notability. --Oakshade (talk) 03:11, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree, 26 isn't really much at all. –Davey2010Talk 23:21, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- 26 episodes is most certainly significant. Original network airing duration is just a red herring. --Oakshade (talk) 21:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Keep the number and extent of her roles and the coverage are enpugh to meet notability guidelines. FloridaArmy (talk) 22:26, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- One reliable source and the extent of her roles are certainly not enough, I have no objections to merging but as it currently stands there isn't any evidence of notability and as such there's no justification for keeping thus far. –Davey2010Talk 23:21, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Comment interviews like one of the BBC links provided are primary sources and self-promotion that don't count towards notability, which requires secondary sources. While Melton Times does base some of its content on the subject's own commentary, it provides some other material of its own. Not sure how much that counts for when one takes away her quotes. Spotlight isn't very useful when it just contains listings rather than substantive coverage on Chapman, and I don't even see her name mentioned in this URL. One legitimate secondary source by itself isn't enough for a separate article even if its coverage is considered significant without her own comments, so unless someone can find more quality unaffiliated references going into more than just brief mentions of Chapman (preferably more than a paragraph), I'd be inclined to say delete or merge. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:57, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep: core character in The Archers. PamD 09:41, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Which doesn't establish notability, Which part of NACTOR and WP:BASIC does she meet ? .... –Davey2010Talk 14:05, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Well it's certainly one instance of "significant roles in ... notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.", for starters. Or are you going to claim that radio doesn't count? PamD 15:35, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- And a 16 year stint (see here) in one role seems to me to be the equivalent of "multiple" roles, in spirit if not in letter. PamD 15:42, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Well it's certainly one instance of "significant roles in ... notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.", for starters. Or are you going to claim that radio doesn't count? PamD 15:35, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Which doesn't establish notability, Which part of NACTOR and WP:BASIC does she meet ? .... –Davey2010Talk 14:05, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
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- There were a lot erased by the user Davey, compare there: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hollie_Chapman&type=revision&diff=827758439&oldid=827754975 He means he is true and placed the collapse bottom after the discussion to the sense of his edit and so on. --Soenke Rahn (talk) 17:01, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Removing content and sourcing -not just IMDB sources - just before or during an AfD is not cool and is bad form. I fail to see how an editor is concerned about the validity of mainspace content sources of an article they want to delete. I’ll revert the sources erasing. All editors can look at the article in its pre-erased content state and come to their own conclusions.--Oakshade (talk) 03:21, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NACTOR. Hmlarson (talk) 01:50, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: This article is loaded with an abundance of reliable sources, including BBC, The Telegraph, Daily Mail, etc. The subject passes WP:GNG. Carajou (talk) 17:02, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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