Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoffman Crossing, Indiana

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hoffman Crossing, Indiana

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Baker, as can be seen in the quotation, does not say that there was an elevator here, and I see no sign of it. At any rate, there's precious little sign of anything else here. Survey says this was just a freight station. Mangoe (talk) 11:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep - The 1936 source refers to "instrumental in building a loading station for grain". In our current era, this loading station is referred to as "Grain elevators are facilities at which grains are received, stored, weighed, and then distributed for direct use, process manufacturing, or export."Grain Elevators. Editor Sweet kate was merely using modern terminology, but it's the same thing. I have added the clarification to the article, and sourced it. — Maile (talk) 14:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I seriously doubt that the terminology has evolved that much in the twenty-nine years since Baker's book was published, but at any rate, we have deleted a fair number of spurious "communities" which consisted of an elevator by the tracks and nothing else, even when one could see from GMaps that it really was an elevator and was still there. Mangoe (talk) 21:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such thing as a speedy keep, we discuss everything for however long it takes. James.folsom (talk) 01:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Not clear enough for a speedy keep. The article currently says: "Hoffman Crossing is an unincorporated community in ..." Maile, is it a community? Geschichte (talk) 16:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Indiana. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete A grain elevator is not a community, it is an agricultural facility and thus subject to WP:GNG. That standard is manifestly failed in this case, as no sources could be found other than the passing mention (cited above) showing that it exists. The fact that it's named after a person "instrumental" in building it is neither here nor there. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - aside from a 1951 article about a fatal car crash at the railroad crossing, I'm not seeing any coverage of this site at all. What I can find is coverage for Hoffmans, New Jersey and a location near West Milton, Pennsylvania. The grain elevator doesn't make the site notable, and I'm not seeing anything that would indicate a WP:GNG or WP:GEOLAND pass. Hog Farm _Talk 00:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete First I don't think this is the correct location, the Monon rail should still be there, or at least evidence of it. I don't see it in satellite view. According to transportation.gov there are no crossings on that hwy now, and from past AFDs I know that the monon existed "fairly" recently and find it hard to believe there is no trace left. This makes me question the only good source on this article. There isn't a community there now. I cannot find any further sources.James.folsom (talk) 02:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot tell when the rails were taken up but the traces in the current GMaps aerial are very slight. It's much more visible in older shots, and it doesn't help that, for some reason, they moved the label to the west so that the GNIS coords are significantly off the mark. The actual location is not the hooked-shaped driveway/farm indicated now; it's the very broad, bright driveway patch on the NE side of the road further SE. Going NNE the edge of the field with the trees to the right is where the old grade was; eventually it gets taken over by Boles Rd. Going south the only sign is a few places where you can see a straight line break in the trees.

This branch of the Monon was constructed around 1906 to reach coal fields; it left the mainline at a nondescript spot called Wallace Jct. and headed SSW to Victoria. The railroad apparently called the spot "Hoffman", and I found pictures from 1979 showing that there was a siding here and nothing else. By that time it was owned by the L&N and it's too much work to find out when exactly they abandoned the trackage. Mangoe (talk) 03:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your right, I mistook that "dip" in the trees for a stream. But on closer inspection I can find places were you can see the track bed. James.folsom (talk) 05:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, not a community per above. Geschichte (talk) 08:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.