Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Higher Institute of Engineering

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 19:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Higher Institute of Engineering

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This is mostly a procedural nomination. The article was tagged as an A7, which I had to decline because it doesn't apply to educational institutions. The creator kept removing the speedy delete tag before I removed it. The article was horribly written (still is but not quite as ugly). I prodded it for notability and sourcing. Naturally, the creator removed the prod. From what I can tell (the website is in Arabic), the institute is part of a broader umbrella of educational institutions. Whether the larger organization is notable, I don't know, but I doubt that each smaller one is (see WP:BRANCH). Bbb23 (talk) 16:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Editors might want to look at 6th of October City#Education facilities.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - educational institutes that grant their own degrees have long been considered notable and this plainly does. If this was in an Anglophone country it would be easy to source and we would not consider deleting it. I will clean it up in due course but am unlikely to get far with sourcing because I have no Arabic. We must avoid systemic bias and allow ample time for sources in Arabic to be researched and added. Unsourced likely non-notable subjects we delete but when a subject, as here, is probably notable, the way forward is to tag for sourcing and expansion not deletion. The Whispering Wind (talk) 19:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you use Google Chrome, it can translate pages on the fly, which is useful for sourcing. The Arabic search term for "Higher Institute of Engineering" is المعهد العالي للهندسة

Google web search results for that phrase here

Google news search results for that phrase here

Hope that helps. It doesn't look like much, though, and Google Translate results for middle east languages are more difficult to parse than translations of European languages. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per The Whispering Wind. Institutes offering higher education are presumed notable. Ansh6 6 6 20:54, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to me that if this presumption is based on practice and this essay, it should be formally adopted as part of the guideline, which actually says the contrary (restating the standard guideline for any organization, including schools).--Bbb23 (talk) 21:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Ansh6 6 6 21:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - every one of the very many attempts to produce high school and college guidelines has failed to reach consensus, after an enormous amount of Community time has been burnt off, and I know not of anyone who has the heart to jump through those hoops again. What we have is an accepted consensus even if not formally documented, so we should be pragmatic since these are all important institutions in their regions. Let me emphasise that my position is that with enough research in the native language WP:ORG can nearly always be met and that a series of AfDs to root out a minority that may not quite reach the standard is a very poor use of resources. The Whispering Wind (talk) 22:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:08, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for reasons iterated above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.