Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heraldry Society of Scotland

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Article appears to meet WP:CORPDEPTH. Withdrawn by requester (non-admin closure) — Music1201 ^talk 18:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heraldry Society of Scotland

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In the 13 years we've had this article it has yet to have a single source. A search on Google News, newspapers.com, and JSTOR finds no references. A search on Google Books finds its name invoked several times but generally incidental mentions - such as appearing in a list of organizations in a genealogy book - therefore not passing WP:CORPDEPTH. Chetsford (talk) 18:46, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 18:58, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:55, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -As it is factual and has RS; this is part of the a social movement in Scotland. It may not be a heavily traveled article or have great interests outside of Scotland, but it has been a part of Scottish history for some decades and fact alone tells us this article should stay. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 10:11, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Ya, not a thing in the news [1], sure thing. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 10:18, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article you just linked doesn't mention the Heraldry Society of Scotland at all. It mentions the Court of the Lord Lyon, an entirely separate (government) body. Chetsford (talk) 13:26, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Look to the left of the main article for the section on the Heraldry Society of Scotland, it even lists their website. Cheers C. W. Gilmore (talk) 13:45, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that's all it lists. The entire content of the Heraldry Society of Scotland in the article you just linked is the following sentence: "For more about the Scottish coat of arms, go to www.heraldry-scotland.co.uk/beginners.html". That's probably why I missed it, since it doesn't even mention their name, just their website URL. Does that establish WP:CORPDEPTH? Chetsford (talk) 14:39, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for adding three articles that contain a quote from a member of the society, however, these incidental mentions don't contribute WP:CORPDEPTH per our policy: "Acceptable sources under this criterion include all types of reliable sources except works carrying merely trivial coverage, such as ... quotations from an organization's personnel as story sources, or passing mention, such as identifying a quoted person as working for an organization." Chetsford (talk) 13:27, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It actually listed out regulations for use of hereditary items, according to the Heraldry Society of Scotland, as well as mentioning how to find out more on the subject. It does show that this topic is still relevant today and the need for this article to stay for those wishing to learn more on the subject, especially those in the Scottish diaspora. Given the recent additions and citations, this article meets all of the requirements to stay, IMO - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 12:07, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In terms of Heraldic societies I think this one now has far more sourcing than most. The article was originally created in 2006 by an editor that simply copied material from the society's own website which was not removed until a few days ago. No improvement templates had been added at any point. I have now rewritten the article. A book review in the The Scottish Historical Review mentions "the previous revival of the 1970s (notable especially for the foundation of the Heraldry Society of Scotland)" [2]. Newspaper coverage of the society includes their chairman meeting the Queen in private [3] and the society providing assistance to Colin Powell [4]. The society does appear to be credited with playing a part in an increase in the quality of Heraldry information in Scotland. Their website had a favourable review in 2011 [5]. Given that the activities of Heraldic societies probably aren't the sort of thing that would get many journalists rushing to find stories, I think WP:ORGDEPTH has been demonstrated here. Drchriswilliams (talk) 10:59, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep and withdraw nom - the improvements of Drchriswilliams have sufficiently salvaged the article to push it over the finish line. Chetsford (talk) 14:36, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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