Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hambone, California

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The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR. T. Canens (talk) 04:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hambone, California

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Part of the problem in this one is that the coordinates are way off, because the label on the topo maps was also way off, because the rails were moved in the mid 1950s. The actual spot is on the abandoned railroad grade due north of the coordinates given; and the Great Northern label is a bit misleading in that, though they owned the track east of Hambone, it was always operated by the McCloud Railway, whose line it was coming in from the west. There was a lumber camp at the original site for some years before it was moved south to Pondosa, but there has never been anything like a town here. Mangoe (talk) 00:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep as per WP:GEOLAND. Coordinates can be fixed, no need to delete the article. I-82-I | TALK 00:13, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  The issue is not whether the coordinates are wrong, but whether this was a settlement. As a rule, points on the railroad do not pass WP:GEOLAND more substantial evidence of their notability than being listed in GNIS. Mangoe (talk) 01:57, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Even if it was a lumber camp and not a settlement, would it make sense to keep it as a stub with the information presented above in the nom, or as perhaps a redirect to McCloud Railway? I assume there's a reliable source for that info, which might be enough to establish notability. Station1 (talk) 17:50, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I am considering that. The sites I've been using for this are, however, self-published railfan sites; I don't doubt their general accuracy, and there doesn't seem to be much disagreement among them, but given they don't cite references or the like I would at least prefer book sources. I'm going to look into this a bit more. Mangoe (talk) 18:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - there seems to be enough evidence that this is a real place, although perhaps never a town [[1]]. I'd keep it as a stub and add a link to the McCloud Railway article. Otherwise it's going to be continually recreated by people who see that McCloud Railway article. This discussion can also be linked on the talk page for posterity. BTW - I also see references to a place called Hambone Island, similarly poorly sourced. Might be a great place to visit in isolation during the virus! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:11, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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