Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hadith of Jesus Praying Behind Mahdi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Because of the relatively poor quality of the discussion, I can't find a useful consensus either way. Most opinions are broad generalizations, assertions or guesses, but nobody has actually discussed the quality of the sources cited in the article in any detail. We'd probably need to hear from experts in the fields that can assess the quality of these sources. Until then, it's back to square one.  Sandstein  08:50, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The article is entirely an original research and all the references of it are primary sources. ●Mehran ^Debate● 07:33, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment The nominator has opened 4 AfDs. They are all article created by User:Mhhossein. The nom has voiced intention to open more AfDs for articles created by Mhhossein - they will be added to this list if so.

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/One Woman's War: Da (Mother)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A City Under Siege: Tales of the Iran-Iraq War
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/That Which That Orphan Saw
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hadith of Jesus Praying Behind Mahdi

--GreenC 04:11, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Per nom :)Ladsgroup^overleg 11:21, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - See the discussion for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A City Under Siege: Tales of the Iran-Iraq War. HullIntegrity^\ talk / 13:01, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is an unrelated discussion. ●Mehran ^Debate● 13:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Related ANI discussion that involves this AfD. -- GreenC 15:35, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I'm not an expert, but it would appear from the article that the sources used are sources discussing this hadith. Thaey may be traditional, not modern, sources, but they're still secondary sources. DGG ( talk ) 22:14, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Which source is secondary? ●Mehran ^Debate● 04:13, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Per DGG's comments above. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 23:00, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ism schism: And I would like to repeat the question I asked him then, which source is secondary? ●Mehran ^Debate● 13:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep?, Delete appears to be a notable subject, but the references are not that helpful, most state each narrative or is from Quran (primaries?), two of them which may be useful - The Prophet Jesus (as) and Hazrat Mahdi (as) Will Come This Century[1] and A Shi'ite Encyclopedia[2] takes the reader to the front pages not the relevant bits (i had a quick look thru them but as a wikikit was unable to find them:), could the article originator please assist here so editors can discern relevance. thanks Coolabahapple (talk) 14:13, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that there are thousands (or perhaps millions) Hadiths in Islam, we can have a Wikipedia with thousands and millions of Hadith article. Some of them like Hadith of the two weighty things might be notable as there are lots of secondary sources available for them. Regarding this Hadith, I expand the contents of each reference. The first one which cites the sentence "A total of 29 Hadiths relate the return of Jesus, and his prayer with Mahdi's lead.", talks about the whole Hadaths about Jesus and Mahdi, while this article is talking about one specific Hadith. It is not clear if the sentence "Jesus and Mahdi will be both present at the same time and it is said that the leaders who take commands are from Quraysh, then Jesus will be the Vizier of Mahdi. That's why he will perform the prayer behind Mahdi and follow him." (which is cited by the same source) talks about this specific Hadith too. The sentences cited by this source, are general sentences that tell us "... proven strongly via numerous authentic traditions from the Messenger of Allah, who is the most truthful", there is no sign of any Hadith in that. IMO these references has been added to the article irrelevantly and we cannot prove the notability of this Hadith with them. ●Mehran ^Debate● 13:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

thanks to User:Mehran for telling us about the above refs, so they are irrelevant/trivial;- following comment not necessarily useful but... the article has not had any additional edits to assist in making it possibly notable since afd notice placed. ps. if the thousands or millions(?) of other Hadiths are notable they are very welcome:) Coolabahapple (talk) 15:04, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I found in fact it is around 700,000 Hadiths in Islam. :) ●Mehran ^Debate● 05:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Hadith task force has a lot of work to do.... now thats enough off topicCoolabahapple (talk) 07:20, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Merge into Raj`a , Original research with primary references, It is not enough notable to have an independent article> There is no interwiki-link to Arabic Wikipedia --Sahehco (talk) 09:08, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete probable delete - the parallel would be what? an article about King David sourced to the Gospels? An article about Matthew or Peter sourced to Ignatius of Antioch? An article about John the Baptist sourced to the Apocrypha? reads like Dawah. iVoters for keep, please explain to me what I'm missing here.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:04, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• comment lacks reliable secondary sources.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• comment - Two users changed their viewpoints after relisting: [3] and [4] ●Mehran ^Debate● 05:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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