Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gwendolyn and Adolph Koldofsky Memorial Scholarship

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. A redirect to USC Thornton School of Music seems plausible at first glace, but the scholarship isn't mentioned in that article, so a redirect wouldn't make sense. If somebody wants to create the redirect on their own, that's fine, but I'm not going to make it part of the consensus close. -- RoySmith (talk) 04:27, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Not notable. There are no references to it is its own right--the only refs i could find in Google were links to announcement of concerts by people who have received the scholarship. I could not find that any of the recipients in those announcements are notable in our sense --which is a little odd since the scholarship has been awarded annually since 1951.

There certainly are a great many blue links to notable performers in the article--these are the sometimes extremely famous people who have performed at a concert to raise money for the award. That's namedropping, not notability. DGG ( talk ) 23:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. DGG ( talk ) 23:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:04, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete If anything it belongs at USC Thornton School of Music; department-specific awards are rarely notable on their own and I see nothing showing independent notability. Reywas92^Talk 05:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect, as redirects are cheap. BD2412 T 04:00, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The assertion above that "There are no references to it is its own right--the only refs i could find in Google were links to announcement of concerts by people who have received the scholarship." is I think unfair, possibly because the scholarship has been referenced under various names over its long history, including the "Gwendolyn and Adolph Koldofsky Memorial Scholarship", "Gwendolyn and Adolph Koldofsky Memorial Endowed Scholarship", "Gwendolyn Koldofsky Memorial Scholarship", "Koldofsky Graduate Fellowship in Accompanying", and "Koldofsky Memorial Music Scholarship". I find quite a few references to recipients (in addition to the references to benefit concerts), including:

So-Mang Jeagal

  https://music.usc.edu/thorntons-outstanding-graduates/

Dongeui Park

  https://music.usc.edu/thorntons-outstanding-graduates/

Dr. HyeJung Shin

  https://music.usc.edu/files/2016/12/FAL16_10-21_ConcertChamber.pdf#page=14
  https://aimsgraz.com/faculty/hye-jung-shin/
  https://www.cui.edu/arts/music/faculty#hyejung-shin

ChoEun-Lee

  https://collaborativepiano.music.unt.edu/faculty/choeun-lee
  https://www.leeuniversity.edu/academics/music/faculty/cho-eun-lee.aspx
  https://www.leeuniversity.edu/NewsItem.aspx?id=16076

Dr. Kayla Chon

  https://www.music.txstate.edu/piano/Faculty/Chon.html
  https://www.southwestern.edu/live/events/3046-guest-and-faculty-recital-jack-unzicker-bass-kayla

Lisa Edwards

  https://performancesalacarte.org/artist/lisa-edwards/

Janet Hui-Chuan Kao

  http://music.fullcoll.edu/conn_faculty_detail.php?staffid=231

John Ballerino

  https://music.ucsb.edu/people/john-ballerino
  http://www.pv-vcmtac.org/find-a-teacher#59
  https://takelessons.com/profile/john-b125

David Hapner

  https://people.wright.edu/david.hapner

Dr. Lorna Eder

  https://fairbankssymphony.org/choral-director/

Natalie Dalschaert

  https://rancholapuerta.com/special-events/concert/
  https://rancholapuerta.com/special-events/concert-brice-martin-flute-and-natalie-dalschaert-piano/

Karenn Chutjian Presti

  https://schoolofmusic.ucla.edu/people/karenn-presti/

Alex Lansburgh

  https://www.hawaiiperformingartsfestival.org/fellows/alex-lansburgh/

KyungJu Byun

  http://www.amacviolins.com/ad/trio1.htm

Soo-Yeon Park

  https://www.csub.edu/music/faculty_staff/park/index.html

The assertion above that "There certainly are a great many blue links to notable performers in the article--these are the sometimes extremely famous people who have performed at a concert to raise money for the award. That's namedropping, not notability." is also I think unfair. Wikipedia defines "Name dropping" as: "Name-dropping (or name-checking) is the practice of naming or alluding to important people and institutions within a conversation,[1] story,[2] song, online identity,[3] or other communication. The term often connotes an attempt to impress others; it is usually regarded negatively,[1] and under certain circumstances may constitute a breach of professional ethics.[4] When used as part of a logical argument it can be an example of the false authority fallacy.[5]" But the notable names mentioned in the Koldofsky Scholarship article aren't simply gratuitous conversational mentions for the purpose of impressing others. Instead they are legitimate references from reliable sources directly relevant to the scope of an encyclopedic article.

I don't see any advantage in merging this article with either USC Thornton School of Music or Gwendolyn Koldofsky, and I don't see any advantage in deleting the article completely, since people who come across references to this topic would be disappointed not to find a Wikipedia article on it.

I am the main author of the article. Musicman103 (talk) 18:44, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was claimed above that "department-specific awards are rarely notable on their own and I see nothing showing independent notability." But we do have department-specific award articles, such as John S. Knight Journalism Fellowships at Stanford, and Tiger Athletic Foundation, and university-specific graduate-level awards such as Knight-Hennessy Scholars and the awards listed under "See Also" in that article. The notability of these awards seems to derive mainly from the notability of their benefactors and/or alumni. Musicman103 (talk) 19:03, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or redirect if possible. This is an award for a specific department, for which no independent coverage can be found. Yes, there are other similar awards, but that doesn't follow that this award is notable. This seems to be more in the line of the Richard Tucker Music Foundation young artist awards (e.g. Sarah Tucker Awards for students). I would like a ping if you find a suitable target to merge it into. Bearian (talk) 20:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the latter part of the above comment that says: "This is an award for a specific department, for which no independent coverage can be found." I consider the following ten references in the article to be independent coverage: #1: The Canadian Encyclopedia; #4: lottelehmannleague.org; #5: geni.com; #6: cabbagetownpeople.ca; #7: latimes.com; #9: latimes.com; #10: latimes.com; #18: cdnc.ucr.edu; #21: latimes; #28: the book "Marilyn Horne: The Song Continues". I would also consider these independent references to be substantial in explaining the origin of the scholarship fund, when and where it was created, and in honor of whom, and its later renaming, how it was funded with annual benefit concerts, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicman103 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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