Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guchi (musician)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. While there was an early slate of delete !votes, none returned to clarify whether those still held true after the sources were identified, and those sources countered those that simply said they didn't meet GNG Star Mississippi 16:22, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Promotional paid job on a non notable WP:TOOSOON Nigerian musician who lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them and do not meet any criterion from WP:MUSICBIO. I’m an expert on Nigerian sources and I can expressly state that sourcing is absent in this article. Furthermore the article creator has been indicted in deliberately adding falsehood in their articles which was first spotted by Praxidicae & Timtrent. Please see AFD & this AFD. They are intentionally adding falsehood in their articles perhaps hoping it gets undetected. Celestina007 (talk) 11:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, Nigeria, and United States of America. Celestina007 (talk) 11:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Absolutely no notability, except, presumably, to their friends. Nominees are not winners. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have struck my !vote entirely. I will analyse further sources before reaching a further conclusion 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep — I believe in Celestina007’s judgement on sources but these lined up sources tends to change my mind. Reading Beans ^{Talk to the Beans?} 17:04, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — Those sources "you all lined up" are all press releases, which is churnslism, can you show any sources that satisfy RS? That is, that discusses the subject in in-depth significant coverage. Celestina007 (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral: When I see musicians getting best new artist nomination less than 12 months ago, it is usually a case of WP:TOOSOON. Although neutral, but tending towards delete than a keep. I can expatiate further if need be. HandsomeBoy (talk) 04:45, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:19, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral: Even though it is probably WP:TOOSOON, I have to say that nomination is one of the WP:NMUSICIAN aspects, as it states in point 8 of Criteria for musicians and ensembles that it needs to have won or been nominated to a major award. I am not familiar enough to the awards scene in Nigeria as to say if those listed are the major awards or not. Pazguillermo (talk) 18:30, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment — Note to the closing admin that no editor here has provided any reliable sources, what has been provided are press releases and mere mentions and nothing in-depth that discusses the subject of the article in significant coverage. Celestina007 (talk) 18:46, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Zero GNG type sources and does not meet SNG criteria. As a result near-zero content. North8000 (talk) 19:04, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - meets neither WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:45, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as above - meets neither WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. --Whiteguru (talk) 10:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - meets neither WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:40, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, fails to meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO, as others have said. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:43, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:BASIC - before this article was nominated for deletion, a variety of sources were removed from the article [1], [2], including sources listed at the Wikiproject Africa Sources List, e.g.:

• "NDLEA unveils Guchi as anti-drug ambassador". The Nation Newspaper. Retrieved 26 January 2020.
• "Many Nigerian pop stars are yet to find their sounds — Guchi". Vanguard Newspaper. Retrieved 20 April 2019.
• "My song preaches true and genuine love –Guchi". The Punch Newspaper. Retrieved 4 May 2019.
• "GUCHI: Abuja showed me love but Lagos is better". The Nation Newspaper. Retrieved 20 April 2019.
• "Why I'm still single –Gucci, singer". The Sun Newspaper. Retrieved 10 November 2019.

The Google search pointed to by Reading Beans shows further coverage from sources listed at WP:AFSL and WP:NGRS, e.g.

• Guchi, Afropop singer seals ambassadorial deal with NDLEA (Vanguard, 2020)
• Guchi blazes with ‘No Be Jazzy’ (Vanguard, 2019)
• Guchi: Africa's breakout star of the post-pandemic era (Pulse, 2021)
• #Shedibalala challenge, Guchi, others blow up TikTok (PM News, 2021)
• Here are the top 10 Nigerian artists to watch in 2022 (Pulse, 2022)

Beccaynr (talk) 05:17, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep following the work above to identify sources by Beccaynr and analysys of those sources I find her just to be the right side of the borderline. The references are "just strong enough" so better references will be more useful. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:09, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• keep per Beccaynr's rationale, and sources. I am more concerned about Celestina's removal of content, and sources here. They removed entire section of "early life" (RS sourced), with edit summary "promotional". There were two promotional sentences, no need to remove entire section. They also removed some other sourced content with edit summary "false", thats unacceptable behaviour. The diffs to these edits have provided above by Beccaynr. Celestina also removed the section "Events performed" with summary "promotional to". This is a very common section for articles of musician. It was unsourced, but not promotional. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:42, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  update: I was on mobile when I posted my previous comment. In this edit, they removed the entire section of "early life" which was sourced, with edit summary "promotional material". There were two-three semi-promotional sentences, which should have been removed. Removing entire section was not called for. In this edit they removed the section "Events permormed" with summary "promotional to". However, the most concerning removal is this one, where they removed In 2020, she [Guchi] was granted as an ambassadorship for the National Drug Law Enforcement Agency (NDLEA). A simple search "guchi anti drug ambassador" gives a lot of sources corroborating the claim. I am not sure why Celestina007 removed it. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I have just edited the article based on a re-examination of the version before the nominator's removals, adding material from existing sources and from one of the sources listed above by Beccaynr, Pulse (which supported some unsourced statements and enabled me to bring the account of her career up to date as of November 2021; the prose was otherwise stuck in early 2019. I did find unreferenced material that I had to remove, including her middle name and birthdate, and I threw out both articles in The Sun Nigeria, which appears to be affiliated with the British tabloid and in my judgement is therefore not an acceptable source—but everything was citable from other sources. The article was not very promotional in style, and the amplitude of coverage in the Nigerian press, its continuing for years after her debut song, and her getting a Top 10 Billboard chart position in my view are sufficient indications of notability. I restored the notability tag since the article is at AfD, but it's traditional to remove that when an article is kept. Many thanks to Beccaynr for lining up sources; I may come back to add more. Yngvadottir (talk) 08:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Beccaynr. Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 20:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the WP:BEFORE work done by User:Beccaynr. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:14, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.