Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greatest Hits Radio North Derbyshire

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. While some editors feel that the stations should be discussed on a case-by-case basis (and they still can), there is a consensus the content is generally notable. A merger (which would be controversial) can still be discussed outside of AFD. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:04, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greatest Hits Radio North Derbyshire

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This is one of a large number of English local radio stations which have been closed and replaced with a national network. There does not seem to be a need for a page for all these stations - a single page listing Greatest Hits Radio stations should suffice CallLetters (talk) 16:59, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator has also tagged the following articles for deletion under this page. Nthep (talk) 17:33, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'd suggest demerging the nominations and dealing with each separately. If all the GHR stations were new I'd support the nominators suggestion of redirection. However, they all had a previous independent existence and the notability of each station based on its entire life, not just its latest incarnation, needs to be assessed. Doing this in one mass nomination is going to be very messy. Nthep (talk) 17:33, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as these articles are needed to address the histories of so many stations at once; a merger of their contents would be a mess in the making. The GHR rollup ended the existence of a lot of separate stations—some of which were original ILR outlets, e.g. Radio Aire, and each of which have independent notability. Notability is not temporary. Raymie (t • c) 00:39, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am also pinging Chocolateediter as they have been doing extensive editing on the GHR pages in the wake of the September 1 network restructuring. Raymie (t • c) 00:40, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Maybe it would be better to keep these articles under their original station names (e.g. Peak FM, Signal 2, Radio Wave) and talk about their history in the past tense, rather than redirecting them all to "Greatest Hits Radio [area]" and treating them as currently broadcasting stations, which they aren't (the individual stations have no staff, no programming and no independent output - they serve as translators of a national network). There can be a note on each station page saying "This station was closed and replaced with Greatest Hits Radio on [date]". CallLetters (talk) 11:31, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree that we have to treat each on a Case by case basis.
- 1. Merged Radio stations like radio Aire and Pulse should should get new articles as opposed to one of the station articles being dissolved into a new Stations (I don’t have confidence/experience with big article changes but I am gaining confidence and knowledge to start to).
- 2. ‘Stations’ that are basically now a name and 10mins of content should really be in a regional article with any previous name that hold actual content be in an properly justified article. In the TFM Radio case a Hits North East article should be created which holds information on current TFM and Metro radio and the TFM article be left to history with a little note at the top to go to Hits North East for current TFM(a copy of Metro).
- 3. A simple rebrand for a proper station.

PS: I suggest a predecessor and successor line in info box(just use code from old countries info box) for content rich older stations. This can also be on regional info boxes and saves constantly referring to and listing old stations in articles.

GHR North Derbyshire keep and GHR Derbyshire created. User:Chocolateediter (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Deleting these articles would result in the deletion of the history of all of these stations, most of whom have been on air for more than 20 years - Minster FM (now GHR York and N Yorkshire) since 1992, Yorkshire Coast Radio (now GHR Yorkshire Coast) since 1993 and Signal Radio/Signal 2 (now GHR Staffordshire) since 1983. Rillington (talk) 14:37, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It would seem sensible to keep the pages under their origional station names and update them to show what has happened to the stations in te last few months. The pages would then become historical refernce to the heritage stations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pelican104 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Chocolateediter and Pelican104: That might be the WP:COMMONNAME solution down the road where these articles are at the last non-GHR station name. We don't have predecessor/successor functionality in this infobox (because most stations we can write in one chunk of an article) but I wonder if the |above= field might be used here for "Merged into Greatest Hits Radio"... Raymie (t • c) 20:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Deleting this would mean you have 100s of other GHR articles to delete. Plus it's deleting information about stations that still exist in some way, shape or form. Bauer Media They have just taken over a number of stations and all of these are now similar to this article. All listed here. - Funky Snack (Talk) 10:47, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all: Per reasons above and WP:NTEMP. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 16:00, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The original station page should be kept, there should not be hundreds of Greatest Hits radio stations on wiki as they are now all area drop outs of a national station which could be covered in the main Greatest Hits Radio page. Tod55 (talk) 13:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.