Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Great Sea (The Legend of Zelda series)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge into Hyrule. I'll do a rough attempt that interested editors are invited to refine.--Tikiwont 10:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great Sea (The Legend of Zelda series)

Article is primarily in-universe, and the topic itself is non-notable outside the Zelda series. If there is information that should be kept, it should be moved to The Wind Waker article or more ideally to the Hyrule article. MASEM 02:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is a sub-article, and so since it is important to the main article (The Legend of Zelda), it is acceptable. It would not work very well for the Hyrule page, as it is a different area - Hyrule is the submerged kingdom, the Great Sea is the sea above it (and in PH, to the west) - they're almost treated like different worlds. It would not fit on the Wind Waker article as that is not its only appearance. Also, being written primarily in-universe is NOT reason for deletion - it is reason for cleaning it up. I am trying to clean it up, as I have only recently come upon the page, but as a very important part of the mythos, it is reasonable to include it as a sub-article.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 03:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a side-note, while not mentioned in the other games (possibly alluded to in FSA and OoA, but anyway...), its existence IS important to the overall series, as it is a major turning point in the mythos. Though this is a partially crufty example, it is one of the most basic parts for fans constructing timelines, and its existence was explained by Aonoma and Miyamoto as being one of the main points of the split timeline.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 04:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I think it's better to delete this and merge the content into Hyrule. That article, itself, has significant problems. There is an appropriate need for a Hyrule article since all the Zelda games take place there, and that would make sense to establish notability to explain how Aonoma and Miyamoto point to a key timeline element (the flooding of Hyrule to make the Great Sea). But even then, most of the content on this page is fancruft - an encyclopedia doesn't need to list major islands in a fictional game setting, only that some of the islands were actually the highest points of Hyrule that didn't get flooded. There's a major need to clean up these parts. --MASEM 05:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not merely that the country is a few feet underwater - it's supposed to be the difference between the Midwest and the Sundance Sea. Phantom Hourglass also seems to imply that the Great Sea is not "just sunken Hyrule", but the entire sea that was already near it and extended over it. And only a little more than half of the games appear in Hyrule.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 18:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sub-articles don't get a free pass. They need to prove notability the same as anything else. Miremare 01:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Hyrule. For those unfamiliar with the subject, the Great Sea is a setting in The Legend of Zelda series later revealed to be a flooded Hyrule. Pagra shtak 15:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Trim&Merge into Hyrule sounds very reasonable. If some independent non-trivial sources exist for this location (doubtful), they may help justify the Hyrule article first. (I am positive that Hyrule is wiki-notable, it just hasn't any sources added yet). – sgeureka ^t•c 16:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Hyrule; the Hyrule article has few sources itself, and this location is essentially a modified iteration of that. Haipa Doragon (talk) 17:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Can someone please notify the Zelda Wikiproject of this AfD? It's in their scope and they should know about it, but as the primary defender I don't feel I could tell them without cries of "foul!" going up.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 23:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I've done you one better:

Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Pagra shtak 00:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. Knowitall 03:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge- Fully deleting this is just a Rack of Rupoors. ViperSnake151 14:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Hyrule. Absolutely nothing to suggest this is worthy of its own article. Miremare 01:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.