Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genkai Chōsen Distopia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Genkai Chōsen Distopia

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A cancelled arcade game that fails the notability criteria. Out of the twelve sources in this article, only one of them is reliable (Game Machine), and it doesn't even mention the game whatsoever. Floor 25 *might* be reliable, but I can't verify what it says or even what it is. There's nothing I could find about this game on places like the Web Archive, so I don't believe this is worthy of a Wikipedia page. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 14:41, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I created this page because it was an unreleased game by Toaplan (a notable shoot 'em up developer). Finding sources about it was NOT easy since it was one of the very last projects Toaplan did before facing bankruptcy. The Gamengai link translated the Floor 25 interview with Tatsuya Uemura, which mentions Distopia. There's also the BrainBusters book, which showcased the game in great detail. I forgot to include another reference that I found afterwards months later: Shooting Gameside, which also talked about the project. At this point, I believe you're deleting articles I've created on purpose. Roberth Martinez (talk) 14:50, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: One other thing I also forgot to mention is the GSLA link, which contains an interview with Junya Inoue that has not been translated by shmuplations or any other website, which talks about his role with Distopia. Roberth Martinez (talk) 14:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is the lack of any significant coverage from third-party publications. Developer interviews do not count as that, and neither do small paragraphs from random gaming magazines or random unreliable forum posts. There needs to be significant coverage of this game in order for it to have an article on Wikipedia, which I was unable to find. The burden is on you to establish notability. It's not my fault you've made so many poor-referenced video game pages. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 15:41, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment@Namcokid47: When did i say at any time and moment it was you fault that i made "poor-referenced" articles? Don't say stuff I've NEVER said to you. I know full-well that references and sources are a requirement for articles and I know the consequences for not meeting said criteria, but i'm just flat out tired of people taking the easy route of deleting articles for not being notable enough instead of putting effort to improve them. Roberth Martinez (talk) 15:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I take great offense at that last bit: "but i'm just flat out tired of people taking the easy route of deleting articles for not being notable enough instead of putting effort to improve them". By no means is deleting an article "the easy route". I'm deleting this article because of its poor sourcing and its failure to meet the notability guidelines, not on anything else. I looked high and low for sources on this game but found just about nothing. I looked at some of the sources you provided to try and justify why this article should be kept, and do not consider them reliable. Maybe Brainbuster could be okay, but even still that leaves three out of the twelve references being used. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 21:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:46, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:46, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Not this again. Analyzing the sources I can access (seems that Brainbuster thing is potentially worthy?), there are simply no significant reliable sources here. An entry on arcade-history, no idea what Postback is (seems like a shmup blog with a forum?) that even admits "most likely, you never heard of it before", InsertCredit is a passing mention (before even getting to reliability), Neo Arcadia seems like a blog hosted by a group of fans seeing the equipe page (and the generic powered by WordPress note), Biglobe is a name drop, a tweet of a random person with a video of the game (need I say anything else?), a passing mention on Chibarei (which includes blog in its url) and 2 forum references. Searched a while in japanese, and found nothing sadly. Hence, it fails WP:GNG. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:32, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, KGRAMR, huge respect for your contributions most of the time (just seeing you expanded Snow Bros., a game that I loved back in my childhood made me happy). But "created this page because it was an unreleased game by Toaplan" is a wrong approach to go for, especially since WP:NOTINHERITED exists, and not all games of a notable developer can be notable. And please don't be disheartened by these AfDs, it's just that creating articles about cancelled AND Japan-only video games are hard to prove they are notable sadly. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:32, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of cancelled Japanese video game articles on Wikipedia.. The difference between Genkai and those is that those articles offer significant coverage on the subject, both at release and retrospectively, by other publications. There's even ultra-obscure games like Starblade: Operation Blue Planet (an article which I made) that are at Good Article status and meet the criteria. Genkei lacks both of these, and it's why I'm nominating it for deletion; not based on personal vendetta, but doing what is right. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 21:50, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Perhaps belated response here, but Namcokid47, KGRAMR, I know AfDs are stressful, but please don't insult each other's editing practices. You guys are both good faith editors who put a lot of obvious work into your edits. You should be friends.
• I'd like to weigh in on the issue at hand, but I'm not clear on why redirecting the article to Toaplan is not being considered. I haven't been hugely active on AfDs recently, but last I checked redirecting to the developer's article was the default alternative to deletion.--Martin IIIa (talk) 21:56, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I vote to delete this simply based on the fact that nothing reliable seems to cover these in detail. Redirects are acceptable if the subject can later become notable, as it simply allows one to remove the redirect. I can't see that happening with this game, nor do I see this as being a plausible search term. There's no real course of action here but to delete the article. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 22:18, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. @KGRAMR: I appreciate and celebrate your work and enthusiasm, but unfortunately I don't see how this article meets GNG or has long-term notability. I understand that sources are difficult to come by, but that's what makes it particularly difficult for others to contribute and add to the article as you'd like. I'd wouldn't object if this was closed as redirect, either. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 05:52, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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