Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gene's Sausage Shop

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 08:31, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. " It was deprodded by User:TonyTheTiger with the following rationale "This article is the featured subject in many WP:RS. It should not be deleted without an WP:AFD consideration". Where are those RS? All I see is very local/niche news coverage (up to and including Facebook) failing NCOMPANY's audience requirement,. This entry could only be salvaged by copying it to Wikivoyage's article about Chicago, which is more lenient for listing local restaurants. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:08, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Of two minds here: I think there is probably enough independent media coverage to meet notability, but probably not enough to write a page that contains any useful information beyond the fact that it exists and some people like it. For that, I think there would need to be an extended researched media article about the history, ownership etc of the store to reference, together (maybe) with information about turnover from publicly available records etc. It might then be a useful page to someone looking for additional encyclopedic information about the shop, but at the moment, I'm struggling to see any value in the page at all, so am leaning towards delete. JMWt (talk) 08:43, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@JMWt: An article can be short and notable; the problem is that sources for companies should not be strictly local, and this is what I am seeing here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:08, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

tending to agree that this seems to be of local interest, but is that really a sensible criteria? Obv if this was a shop in Poland, it is unlikely to be very interesting or notable, but at what point does a long-standing-and-unusual shop in a local area become notable enough? JMWt (talk) 09:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NCOMPANY suggests that for companies, the answer is once it generates coverage that's at least regional if not national. I tried to find an example from Category:Restaurants in Illinois and Category:Retail buildings in Illinois but almost all I see makes me want to start more AfDs, so perhaps I am not the best person to ask here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:05, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• I am not saying it should be kept, but there is sufficient source information that a discussion should be held. The above discussion documents that there are at least modest arguments to be made for its existence. Not sure if it should be kept for some of the other issues discussed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:43, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • And I am not saying there is anything wrong with having this discussion :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:05, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete unfortunately as News, Books, browsers and Highbeam easily all found links but nothing for more obvious notability and improvement. SwisterTwister talk 08:08, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Nothing here to show notability. References indicate only local interest which could be created for any restaurant almost anywhere.--Egghead06 (talk) 11:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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