Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flag of Jerusalem

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I'd like to Merge or Redirect this article but I don't see widespread support for these two options in this discussion. Some strong feelings about Keeping this article but not ones based in policy and the additional sources provided discuss the Emblem of Jerusalem, not the Flag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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This stub is unsourced for a reason, and that is because there is little to no attestation in reliable sources of the flag of the Jerusalem municipality (the image itself is captioned "Flag of the Israeli municipality of Jerusalem") being called 'the flag of Jerusalem' - this is a title that in vexillology more commonly refers to the flag of the Order of St John of Malta or, in some academic papers, a hypothetical future flag that might contain both Israeli and Palestine elements in a post-conflict reconciliation scenario. Since no material currently exists in the article on the latter, and the current material is unsupported, this page should either be deleted or redirected to Flag and coat of arms of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Israel, Palestine, and Malta. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This is indirectly related to the Emblem of Jerusalem, also up for deletion. but possibly a keep. But the flag containing the emblem, although it is clearly based on the Israeli flag, appears not to be anything official afaics. Selfstudier (talk) 18:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. starship.paint (exalt) 02:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Deletion is an attempt, IMO, to re-write reality (and history), by an impulsive people who lack any stress and live in a world that only eduction, or indoctrination, matters, rather than reality on the ground or the actual state of public opinion (which is relatively pro-Israel in all English-speaking countries.) However, in reality, the trend is the opposite, and Israel relations with the Arab world is getting better, removing any hope of dividing the city. Archway (talk) 16:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails WP:N, and that doesnt mean it cant be covered elsewhere, but doesnt need an article. nableezy - 16:52, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Exists in like fourteen different Wikipedias. Hanging all over the city of Jerusalem. Lots of sources in Hebrew available. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 20:35, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Uh huh. Is that why no Hebrew version of the article exists then? What's your best Hebrew sources for this then? Show us. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:09, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting although I see no policy-based reasons for keeping this unsourced article. But one editor states that "lots of sources in Hebrew are available" so here's a few more days to track them down.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Emblem of Jerusalem. It's basically the emblem of Jerusalem with two blue banners from the Israeli flag (that took these from the talit). The topic is notable but, unless other flags for Jerusalem are found and discussed, the amount of possible prose about this flag is finite. We should follow the example of Hewiki and make the Jerusalem flag into a short section under the Emblem of Jerusalem! gidonb (talk) 13:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - a fork of Emblem of Jerusalem with no significance for a standalone article. Haueirlan (talk) 15:00, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Emblem of Jerusalem, an unnecessary content fork. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:15, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with these Merge and Redirect suggestions is that Emblem of Jerusalem is the subject of an AFD discussion and editors there are suggesting merging to this article. I think a decision independent of the fate of Emblem of Jerusalem needs to be made in case it is deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, Haaretz has coverage as does this 28 page booklet by historians Olive branches, stones and a rampant lion : the design process of Jerusalem's municipal emblem.. PrisonerB (talk) 11:02, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Those are both about the emblem, not the flag (no mention is made of this), so it might support the emblem page, but not this. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Lo and Behold, Visual Aspects of Zionist Myths in Israeli Culture, a book by Dr. Alec Mishory, also has a chapter, pages 223 to 239. PrisonerB (talk) 11:16, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  What Iskander just said, you are claiming this source for the emblem and now for the flag, which is it? And what does this source actually say? Selfstudier (talk) 11:26, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  You are welcome to check it out and read it. The chapter in pages 223 to 239 (chapter 9 in part 3) is dedicated to the Jerusalem symbol, and it is written by a doctor. PrisonerB (talk) 11:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  We can just ignore this source as no evidence has been provided that it says anything about the flag (or for the emblem for that matter). Selfstudier (talk) 11:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Chapter nine, pages 223 to 239, is entirely on the symbol chosen in 1949. PrisonerB (talk) 11:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  This deletion nomination is about the flag not the emblem. Selfstudier (talk) 12:03, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.