Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Five or Six

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation. While this discussion is relatively lengthy, it is only between two users, hence the WP:NPASR option. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Redirect to Pillows & Prayers, per WP:MUSICBIO item 10. Non-notable defunct band. I can find no discussion of this band in any reliable sources. Just some discography listings in the usual places. Amsgearing (talk) 18:19, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:33, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:33, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Several reviews of their recent compilation on reliable sources (ex. Record Collector Magazine, AllMusic), featured on a record that sold 120,000 copies. Probably a lot more in print media from when they were active, given that they were signed to one of the biggest UK indie labels.

Also a comment, you removed the liner notes reference with the comment "that is not a source" from the article — mind explaining the existence of Template:Cite AV media notes? I've restored the reference. RoseCherry64 (talk) 20:03, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Putting back liner notes is fine, but they're not an indicator of notability. Also, if these two paragraphs (which are barely reviews - they're just blurbs about a greatest hits CD) are the only things available as sources, I'd say that's far, far short of "multiple, non-trivial, published works". Amsgearing (talk) 10:50, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well then, why did you remove them in the first place? They're a perfectly fine primary source.

A review is "non-trivial" by definition — it only covers the band in question. Either way, there's three other points in WP:MUSICBIO they fall under.

5. "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)."

6. "Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. ..."

10. "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. ..." RoseCherry64 (talk) 11:59, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

They absolutely do not fall under any of those three points.

5. A Thriving And Happy Land was released by "Frizz Bee" records. That's not an important indie label. The only other release was on Edigsa records. Same problem.

6. None of the band members are independently notable musicians. One of them is now a (barely) notable TV executive. That's not a musician.

10. They were not included on a notable compilation album. The album Pillows & Prayers seems like it's a candidate for deletion itself, and the one source referenced in that article doesn't even mention the band Five or Six. Regardless, you skipped the part that states "But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article."

In other words, you've laid out a pretty good case for why this article should be deleted, as they don't meet any of the criteria in WP:MUSICBIO. Amsgearing (talk) 18:17, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Spring Heel Jack is absolutely a notable musical ensemble. Edigsa seems to be a fairly notable label in their region too, having artists like Joan Manuel Serrat signed. Pillows & Prayers is incredible influential, it's the #1 indie pop compilation album of all time according to Mojo. (source)

If you put all of the things I mentioned together, you get a decent case for notability. RoseCherry64 (talk) 19:00, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What's your source that states members of Five or Six were in "a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles" ? Because Spring Heel Jack sounds like one band to me, which means #6 is still not met. Amsgearing (talk) 02:46, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.