Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Far from Everything

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to No Justice. MBisanz ^talk 02:31, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Far from Everything

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Redirects undone with nothing but addition of Allmusic listings, which do not verify anything other than the track listing. I couldn't find any professional reviews or discussion of any of these albums. An empty Allmusic placeholder does not a reliable source make. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:58, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:12, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, or merge all five No Justice album articles into the No Justice article - Per WP:NALBUMS, "Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting". Do we really want five track listings in the main No Justice article? Also, for the second time, I was not notified on my talk page the TfD for the navbox. If we are not keeping the album articles, then we should merge all of them into No Justice.--Jax 0677 (talk) 01:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) All you do is sling around policy verbatim, refusing to budge one iota from it. You do realize that not everything is set in stone, right? You do realize that there is a good precedent for redirecting non-notable albums without merging the track list? Most of the time, the album is non-notable, and merging the track-list is not practical, so the only choice is to redirect without merging. It's perfectly okay to redirect an album without merging, despite what WP:NALBUMS says. Also, you're completely refusing to acknowledge any possible notability. Where are the reviews of the album? I saw none. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:15, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - Like our debate about the rule of five in WP:NENAN, and my not being notified about the latest TfD above, I am having to repeat what I say because it is being blatantly ignored. The goal of The Wikimedia Foundation is to expand the sum of human knowledge (or something to that effect). IMO, implied in this is placing the track listings for all significant albums of a notable artist in some Wikipedia article, be it the artist or the album. If we wouldn't want the track listings for five albums in the No Justice artist article, then the album articles should remain as content forks and/or size splits. I realize that WP:IAR and WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY exist, and that not everything is set in stone. If the track listings are on AllMusic, then there is no good reason to completely remove them from Wikipedia in their entirety now that they are there. Information about the albums including the track listings can be placed on Wikipedia, because the albums have been published, and the artist is notable. Whether the albums themselves are notable is not necessarily the issue IMO.

Again, why wasn't I notified of the TfD for No Justice on my talk page?--Jax 0677 (talk) 01:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because you pull the same filibuster "X does not link to Y, Y does not link to Z, Z does not link to A, redirecting albums is bad per verbatim quote of WP:NALBUMS, therefore this template is notable" bullshit you always do, and I didn't want to deal with it again. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:35, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - As discussed at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_November_15#Template:Kevin_Fowler, "four such merges to an artist's page tends to be too messy". Most or all of the navboxes that I have created are on my watchlist which is how I came to know of this one, and it is considered professional courtesy to notify the author of a TfD on their talk page. If "X does not link to Y, Y does not link to Z, Z does not link to A" is true, then the navbox should likely remain, and proper investigative research should be conducted to determine if this is the case, and if there are not enough articles connected to the parent article. If the combined length of all of the album articles (including track listing) would be lengthy, then splitting the artist article off into one article per album may be the correct thing to do. Templates are based on utility, not notability. TfD is NOT based on what the nominator wants to deal with, but is based on consensus of users including myself. Supporting my position is that only two of the hundreds of musical ensemble navboxes that I created were deleted due to lack of utility, "Kip Moore" and "Back from Ashes", the latter due to the artist page being deleted. Also, how is my writing a filibuster if it does not prevent other people from voicing their opinion in the one week time frame provided? Additionally, using "BS" in an unencyclopedic manner at TfD is not WP:CIVIL.--Jax 0677 (talk) 01:56, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the band article. Some of these albums did receive coverage, e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], but not enough for standalone articles. If there's anything worth saying other than tracklistings it can said (and sourced) in the prose of the band article. I don't see a problem including the tracklistings in the discography there. --Michig (talk) 08:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to No Justice, the band article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 07:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/Redirect all to No Justice. With or without the track listings, the band's stub article has plenty of space. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Please keep in mind that there is an ongoing discussion about merging of non-notable albums at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(music)#Merging_of_non-notable_albums. With that being said, unless a verdict to merge the albums and their track listings into No_Justice is arrived at, the aforementioned discussion needs to be resolved first.--Jax 0677 (talk) 20:11, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.