Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faqr-e-Iqbal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Debate marred by meat/sockpuppetry and an out-of-process attempt to close it. None of the "keep" !votes appears to be policy based. Randykitty (talk) 19:49, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Faqr-e-Iqbal

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A niche foreign-language book, published in 2014, fails WP:NBOOK completely. kashmiri ^TALK 03:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is a part of the whole Tehreek Dawat-e-Faqr/Sultan-ul-Faqr Publications Regd. fiasco. A non-notable organization establishing a non-notable publishing house a few years ago creating a fiefdom of articles about their non-notable books on non-notable subjects and creating a drawer full of sockpuppets to defend them. The socks have all been blocked, their arguments discredited based on site policies and guidelines. This one is no different. All "sources" point back to other books by the same publishing house or websites tied to them. A hardcore fail of WP:GNG and WP:NOTADVERTISING. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:03, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Justice should be equal. There are so many other Wikipedia articles on Urdu books. Delete them as well. The book is notable for those who read poetry and Sufism. Justice should be for all and not justice for selected. Delete Urdu-book articles such as

Tuhafat Ul Mujahideen

Pir-e-Kamil

and countless others

JugniSQ (talk) 08:54, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@JugniSQ: First, be kind enough to use WP:INDENTATION. Second, no, books are are not equal, what a crazy idea? "Justice for books"??? There is a certain number of notable books (see WP:NBOOK) and there are millions of others that are not. Third, Tuhafat Ul Mujahideen is not an Urdu book. Pir-e-Kamil has been translated into English and has had several reviews in mainstream English-language media.

This is my last response to you. Hope you will now stop WP:TROLLING. kashmiri ^TALK 09:53, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So you are against Urdu-book articles then? especially if they r not translated in English? what kind of idea is this? and how dare you call my idea crazy? that s a personal attack. At least be civil!

JugniSQ (talk) 10:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No Reason To Delete.i have read this book Faqr e Iqbal and I don't think it as a promotion as these are the teachings of famous sufi poet ===Muhammad Iqbal=== and this book has no such material like to promote any organisation this is just the book based on preachings of Muhammad Iqbal and I don't think the user who is hitting this knowledgable book has read this book for a single time as if he has read this book he would have known that these are not the promotions but are the teaching and preachings of Muhammad Iqbal with its true meaning.I think this deletion tag is just a personal biaseness of user:kashmiri who don't know the content of book otherwise would find it a great piece of knowledgeable informative book not an advertisement.FrancoSQ (talk) 06:47, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Following what was revealed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mrashid364, it's quite convenient that after three consecutive SPIs, we again have some brand new accountsd with the same level of English as a second language and the same tendency to ignore all common formatting conventions for AfD comments. They're also all making the same weak, irrelevant arguments bent on defending this and the related articles on non-notable subjects tied to this organization. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:38, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP The article talks about a book on Sir Muhammad Iqbal who is a very famous personality who had an international influence. See article on Sir Muhammad Iqbal. Also this article holds a neutral point of view. Iilluminate (talk) 14:53, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete as this is not a platform for promotion. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:56, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not one of the sources refers to this book from 2014. The author is perhaps notable, but not this treatise. Bearian (talk) 20:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The book cannot be objected as WP:NBOOK because

- it complies with WP:BKTS, WP:OLDBOOK, WP:OBK and WP:BOOKSTORE Google Books, Slideshare.

- it's all about explaining and conveying Muhammad Iqbal's poetry. and more precisely describes the topic of Faqr

110.93.205.162 (talk) 13:37, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:: Referring to WP:OLDBOOK for a book published in 2014 is a nonsense, as is mentioning WP:BOOKSTORE. WP:BKTS are minimum standards - they are necessary but not sufficient to include a book on WP. There is an article on Muhammad Iqbal and all explanations can go there. kashmiri ^TALK 13:42, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and speedy close: Significant literary work on famous philosopher, poet, mystic and politician Sir Muhammad Iqbal, This Book is a Urdu ode on Iqbaliyat. The language of Iqbaliyat is also Urdu 182.185.229.16 (talk) 14:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP, This article is based on a book that refers to the preachings of Muhmmad Iqbal with its true meaning without taking any sides as per WP:NPOV. It is versatile in its own nature explaining the messages of Iqbal given in it's poetry as WP:V the content is not made up.DAVIDmosla (talk) 14:22, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary deletion

Mr. Iqbal a renowned philosophical personality(worldwide) and a famous poet of Sub-continent,have tones of poetry work,significantly focusing on mysticism and Sufism,topically faqr. This book is a cluster of his poetry on faqr and Sufism. After a meticulous study it can be concluded that this article is legitimate to be on Wikipedia and should not be wasted by unnecessary deletion. Keith Cawdry (talk) 18:32, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No Need to Delet. Asrar-e-Khudi , Rumuz-e-Bekhudi , Zabur-e-Ajam , Javed Nama are some of the most famous collection of poetry of Sir Muhammad Iqbal .It is important to note that each collection has a separate WP article. Same is the case with this very article Faqr-e-Iqbal . Since this book explains about the core Islamic ideology of Sir Muhammad Iqbal i.e. Faqr, hence this article must sustain and should not be deleted. Azuz sandy (talk) 19:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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