Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emily Sullivan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to List of Jericho characters. The previous multi-AfD (always a bad idea) didn't have consensus to do anything because there were too many simultaneously nominated articles of varying notablility. Nowhere in that AfD, however, was this article mentioned as one of those that should be kept. Meanwhile, it's mostly unsourced plot summary and fails WP:NOT, WP:V, WP:RS and WP:N, but more to the point, practically all of this article is already in the main article. If and when there are reliable sources discussing the real-world impact and notability of this character, it can be reconstructed into a separate article. Black Kite 18:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Emily Sullivan

An article for a Tv series character. Nominated some days ago in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnston Green and all editors suggested deletion or merging/converting to redirect. The result was no consensus. Mainly after I requested to merge the article. I performed merging by copy-pasting all content to List of Jericho characters. It seems that User:Oakshade is contesting my edits, so a new discussion is needed to ensure a new consensus. Magioladitis (talk) 06:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. —Magioladitis (talk) 07:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Actually, I would say Keep and Rename. I don't think it is outrageous for her to have her own page, but I do agree that it would be silly to give her the naming rights over other "real" biographies. Just rename her Emily Sullivan (Jericho character) and be done with it.Transcendentalstate (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect: Actually, I would argue that "redirect" is a bad idea, given the commonness of the name "Emily Sullivan," but there is no such thing as "merge and delete." Jericho had some pop currency, but it will soon join Carnivale in the pop cultural graveyard of "cool shows that have fans but which were cancelled." In other words, while there is currently enough fan interest to create "biographies" of each character, that will soon drop. The show will always have fans, but an article per character is outrageous and occupies naming rights over any real biographies that may be needed. Utgard Loki (talk) 11:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since the content has been merged, this can be deleted since, as Loki notes, the name is generic. Fail that, slap up a protected redirect. Note that my comment applies to all the characters referenced at the original AfD. That was, to my mind, closed incorrectly. There was clear consensus for a merge. Eusebeus (talk) 17:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If redirected, a redirect can be from Emily Sullivan (fictional character -- as in similar cases. I dont see why common names pose a problem here. In fact, I think the title should be changed if kept. DGG (talk) 09:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CommentI think, we have to apply the same things for Heather Lisinski. An article I tried to merge and my merge was reverted. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is not the right venue for a merge discussion. Catchpole (talk) 20:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have to make clear that my opinion, since all the valuable information (and more than the valuable) already exists in Wikipedia, is that this article should be "deleted". -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep not a expert on the series, but from the description clearly a major character in a notable work and thus appropriate for an article. There's enough secondary sources on this work by now that some criticism discussing her specifically should be findable. The title of course needs to be changed to Emily Sullivan (fictional character) or some variant of that -- and that would be true of a redirect as well. we certainly dont avoid redirects just because of a need to disambiguate. DGG (talk) 01:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No, but if the merge has taken place, the name is common, the substance of the name is trivial, and the discussion is trivial, it would sure be a factor. We shouldn't be making redirects at George W. Bush because of Lil Bush. Utgard Loki (talk) 12:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there was no consensus to delete this article just 18 days ago. AFD is not for merge discussions. If you merged this article without discussion on Talk:List of Jericho characters, I can understand why you were reverted. But AFDing this article again is not the solution. "An article for a TV series character" is not a valid reason for deletion. --Pixelface (talk) 14:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The reason is that all the content (almost all unsourced) is already in another article which another user gave better instructions how to improve it. Besides, that there was no consensus between delete and merge and this is the reason I merged it after suggesting it there and after opposing deletion (in order to have time to transfer all the information from the one article to the other). Just stating that there was no consensus is not accurate. --Magioladitis (talk)
Keep - Agree with the others. You need to gain consensus for a merge in the article's talk pages, not in AfD it. Major character in popular national TV series. --Oakshade (talk) 04:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep since as noted above AfD is not the place for merge discussions. However, after a quick look at Emily Sullivan and List of Jericho characters#Emily Sullivan, it seems to me that both articles have (almost) the same content. It would probably be best to merge, but that should be discussed on the talk pages of those articles. -- Imperator3733 (talk) 23:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The editors who are willing to help are kindly requested to vote in Talk:List of Jericho characters as well in order we have a clear consensus for merging. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 00:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to LoC. The article is nothing but a plot summary mixed with original research. Until this changes significantly, the LoC does the job just fine. – sgeureka ^t•c 12:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Jericho Characters per sgeureka. -- Nips (talk) 17:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Previous discussion was not too long ago. Acceptable spinout, subarticle for memorable character from a notable show. I'm not opposed to a rename with (fictional character) or something in the title. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
C Once again, the last consensus was not keep!!! It was between Merge and Delete. I voted merge since the name may be a searchable item. They are concerns about that, because it's a generic name. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unsourced in-universe plot summaries. If the article is to be kept or redirected, the name Emily Sullivan-Prowse, the full name of the character, should be used instead. B.Wind (talk) 01:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.