Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ecosse Heretic Titanium

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 20:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ecosse Heretic Titanium

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See WP:FUTURE. "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors." There are a handful of blog posts about this future product,[1][2][3] all of which are based on press releases, but no significant coverage as required by Wikipedia:Notability. The claim to be world's most expensive motorcycle is highly dubious: the $275,000 price is lower than the $555,000 Dodge Tomahawk, for one, and there is no evidence that any have been manufactured or sold at any price. Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete just not enough info available to create even a stub article. Claim of most expensive is dubious as the nom notes. Zero hits on Google News. While there are numerous Google web hits, sources are questionable and those that repeat the claim of "most expensive" seem to be parroting a press release which is of questionable validity. RadioFan (talk) 15:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree, the "most expensive motorcycle in the world" is a dumb phrase ... is Motor Cycle News a reliable source for us? They reviewed this motorcycle, see this link. The article is called "The world's most expensive bike". I found a lot of information about this motorbike in multiple languages and I think the information might be useful for our readers. But I know nothing about motorcycles. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 16:18, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At today's exchange rate, £133,000 is about US$215,000, and $215,000 < $555,000. So there's that. MCN is generally a reliable source, and they qualify the headline as "the most expensive new bike on the market", meaning perhaps the highest MSRP for the model year 2007. But that was four years ago, and it appears nothing happened since the initial press launch. The photos suggest a prototype was built, but there are no indications this ever went into production, or that it ever will. No evidence of any orders. If it's not in production, it's a one-off prototype, and if you want to talk about one-off prototypes, then GP motorcycles routinely cost upwards of US$1,000,000 each.

If you ask me, Ecosse just wanted their name in the news, so they made up a quick pretend custom bike and pretended they would sell it for a fanciful price of £133,000. They threw in a $6,000 BRM chronograph watch to pad the price a bit. And there were not takers. What if they'd asked a billion pounds? Or a trillion? And nobody bought one. Would that be a record or just a publicity stunt? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your expert explanation. You are better informed than I am in this field. I edit articles about everything, often those nominated for deletion via CSD and PROD. When I have doubts, I ask. I trust your opinion on this. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 20:27, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 18:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, would the manufacturer Ecosse Moto Works be notable enough to sustain an article? Any info about the bike that can be verified by reliable sources such as MCN could be added there. Mjroots (talk) 10:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I hope someone more expert in motorcycles will weigh in here but it looks like it's going to be difficult to create an article on Ecosse Moto Works that meets WP:CORP. I'm having difficulty finding reliable sources covering the company and only a few on it's products. Zero google news hits on the company name and only a couple hits in magazines and all are more about this supposed Heretic bike. Without anything else to go on, this looks more and more like a publicity stunt by this company, I normally avoid the company website when looking for sources but the press tab on the company website does link to some reasonable publications. --RadioFan (talk) 11:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:52, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete. I just want to go ahead and point out here that even the source cited in the article does not claim that it's the world's most expensive motorcycle, only that it was the most expensive new bike coming out recently. i have to admit I'm a little amused that a one-sentence article is getting an AFD longer than it is. Nevertheless, this fails WP:GNG on every criteria: the secondary source is a trivial mention that does not in and of itself constitute notability. I could sell my kitchen table for two hundred thousand dollars and it'd likely make it the most expensive kitchen table put on the market recently, but I doubt I or my table get an article for it. — Chromancer ^talk/_cont 17:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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