Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Samuel George Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Acharya Nagarjuna University. As a compromise, given the merge / delete division. Whether and what to merge is up to editors. Sandstein 18:05, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Nothing notable here other than the fact that it exists. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Hagennos (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. L3X1 (distænt write) 23:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. L3X1 (distænt write) 23:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. L3X1 ' (distænt write) 23:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Merge Fails GNG, not enough mentions in GScholar. L3X1 Become a New Page Patroller! (distænt write) 23:42, 24 January 2018 (UTC) striking as unsure what to !vote, but sure that delete is no he best outcome here L3X1 Become a New Page Patroller! (distænt write) 01:24, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

since when is that a criterion for colleges? DGG ( talk ) 06:41, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DGG I don't understand what you mean. GNG or Gscholar is not a criterion? I checked GScholar to see if many papers written by faculty graduates or associates of the college existed. Thanks, L3X1 Become a New Page Patroller! (distænt write) 21:34, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to the university. I mean, that whether a institute has its papers listed in G Scholar has never been to the best of my knowledge been used in an argument for whether the organization is notabl,though it is used all the time as the evidence for finding someone an authority in NPROF. It might have some validity if we were to decide that a college or school is notable only if it is one of high academic or professional standing, but that's not considered relevant either. A college is notable as a social institution, and its importance in the culture of its area is not only measured by published work in international journals, which is what G scholar and similar indexes measure. (the standard for scientific notability under WP:PROF is international, but that isn't really true anywhere else in WP)

The actual practice is very simple: just as in practice we keep all high schools, we keep all institutions of higher education that have a real existence, but we do not usually keep academic departments or parts of a university in separate articles except for the most famous. The problem here is determining if it is in fact an independent college or not. Indian institutions of higher education generally have a complex structure with multiple affiliations, with various teaching institutions affiliated in some loose way with an institution have the right to confer a formal degree. and we have often decided that a particular unit is not independent enough for a separate article. In general, we have considered medical and law schools as appropriate for a separate article, major business schools certainly, and others only if there's some particular distinction. There does not seem to be any here. DGG ( talk ) 03:05, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Theactuak

Comment DGG As you rightly pointed out the education system in India is different from what is the norm in other countries. There are thousands of Institutes like this one which by itself cannot grant a degree which is granted by the University to which it is affiliated to. These institutes function mostly as coaching facilities. There could be some Colleges which are notable due to its extensive facilities like for example College of Engineering Trivandrum due to its long history and recognition for achievements. Unless the institute is notable in any other way existence of an article just acts as and Advert.

• Keep as a tertiary institution per longstanding precedent and consensus. Indian affiliated colleges are not part of the universities to which they are affiliated; they are independent institutions. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Necrothesp: Where do we draw a line? While there might be precedent to keeping educational institutions, in cases of countries like India there are a plethora of such institutions. (for example the Indian State of Tamilnadu itself has more than 40 such institutions most of which just exist and does not have any notability. Extrapolating it would make more than 600 articles and if we expand this to engineering, law, medicine and other institutes were are looking at more than 10,000 individual articles most of them would be at the best Stub Class.) We already have a List of Pharmacy colleges in India as a separate article. Having individual pages will be against WP:NOTDIRECTORY Hagennos (talk) 21:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The obvious reply to this is WP:NOTPAPER--there is no reason why we could not have 10,000 articles on Indian colleges. But I still think merge because its the best way to handle this. situation, and is comparable to what we almost always do with schools in this subject that are part of universities. DGG ( talk ) 15:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but it's not part of a university. It's affiliated to a university. There really is a big difference between a school that's an integral part of a university and an independent institution that is affiliated to one. And it's this difference that some editors commenting on these AfDs clearly fail to properly appreciate. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:28, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. "The institution is offering one undergraduate course and three postgraduate courses." That's it? What makes this an institute, or anything more than just a classroom? I can't find anything about this institution that would suggest it meets WP:ORG or justify inclusion in Wikipedia. ANDREVV (talk) 19:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no independent reliable sources indicate the subject has any notability.--Rpclod (talk) 02:39, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.