Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diamond Jubilee Higher Secondary School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. W.marsh 13:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nn-school. Originally deleted as an uncontested PROD and recreated. AmiDaniel (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom, although it's pointless to say so. I could point out that WP:SCHOOL did not succeed, the creation of a wikiproject does not automatically confer encyclopedic value on any given article within that project, schools are not inherently notable (but an individual school can be notable), and "precedent" is meaningless because stare decisis does not apply to wikipedia. However, I doubt anyone will actually read that, let alone pay attention to it. Agent 86 08:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete, not notable (fails the Google test miserably), poorly-written, recreation of deleted content (though this is not a speedy candidate). Schools are not inherently notable unless they have achieved something that is actually noteworthy (aside from existing, which is not enough). Borderline fails WP:NPOV. --Coredesat 09:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, let's hope it closes before the delusional schoolcruft supporters get here. - Kookykman|(t)e

Would you please care to withdraw this remark? It doesn't seem to make Wikipedia a happier, saner, more productive place if one editor calls others delusional. I'm not a schoolcrufter, I think that there are users whose views on school articles are (in my opinion, and many others') unreasonable, but I am getting increasingly frustrated by the name-calling and atmosphere of genuine nastiness that is emerging. As User:Essjay says: Every time you click "save this page," be completely convinced that what you are saving will make Wikipedia a better, more friendly, and more successful project, and if what you've typed won't do that, don't click save. TheGrappler 15:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. High schools are notable. Wikipedia has disproportionately few articles about India. Anyway, the article is a bit better now. TruthbringerToronto 18:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • If WP has too few articles about India, you should consider writing some about some notable Indian things. Or, retaining what could end up being 100,000 articles (a swag on a population upwards of 1,000,000,000) on nn schools and then we can point to 10% of our articles being about India, sit back, and pat ourselves on the back. Carlossuarez46 06:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • India has one sixth of the world population, so we should be aiming to get it up to 16%, not just 10%. Ramseystreet 22:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Coredesat, nn and fails WP:V Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 19:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Jaranda, may border on WP:NPOV. -- Northenglish (talk) -- 22:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete nn school. Carlossuarez46 06:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - notability is an open question, but has in any case not been clearly asserted. This certainly seems to fail WP:V. TheGrappler 15:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. The school has been around a long time (since circa 1897, Queen Victoria's diamond jubilee), and good-quality secondary schools are important and notable in India, where most people don't go beyond secondary school. TruthbringerToronto 17:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In fact it is plausible that this is the premier educational institution in a region of some 100,000 or more people. But only plausible. What's missing are good-quality secondary or even primary sources, unfortunately. TheGrappler 17:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Which is a reason to add sources, not a reason to delete, or 99% of articles would have been deleted soon after creation. Honbicot 16:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I might have found one - though it doesn't assert notability. TheGrappler 17:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep expand/cleanup. Indian school founded in 1897, so well above average notability. Choalbaton 20:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Wikipedia is short of articles about schools in India. Golfcam 21:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete this might actually be notable, but it is written like an ad for the school and no sources are given. --Eivind^t@c 06:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: there's now a source - but it doesn't cover all the claims of the article - and it still reads a bit like an ad. TheGrappler 20:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Just as deserving as the thousands of articles about U.S. high schools. Honbicot 16:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is a valuable article for people that live near the school and we should be nice to Indian people and encourage them to write more articles about India. Ramseystreet 22:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I believe that at least some of the content satisfies WP:V but a lot will have to be pruned. I am not sure that sufficient notability is asserted - especially in a verifiable fashion - but this will do for now. TheGrappler 17:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep A secondary school is a valid topic for a Wikipedia article. Chicheley 01:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, most schools are notable. bbx 07:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.