Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Detelinara Stadium

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The result was redirect to RFK Novi Sad 1921. Fenix down (talk) 17:32, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Detelinara Stadium

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Sports stadium for fifth-tier team that has been unsourced for over 7 years, no reliable sources found other than routine sports coverage and casual mentions. Attempt to redirect reverted by a single editor who pointily reverted numerous unsourced articles from being redirected to their associated club articles, following a flap at RfD -- and perhaps one should take note that the editor in question, with only a handful of edits, has a user name identical to the stadium involved. [1]. Ravenswing 12:29, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The current tier of a club is irrelevant. The article was put to AFD just to illustrate a point. The above user deleted or redirected half of the stadium articles from that country. Ludost Mlačani (talk) 12:36, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 15:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. Kpg jhp jm 15:27, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:08, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:08, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails GNG. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:39, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Nominator perhaps doesn't realise that Novi Sad were once a top division team? Number 57 10:03, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply: As it happens, I did. Since notability is not inherited, perhaps you don't realize that housing (or not) top division matches meets no notability criterion. Ravenswing 15:45, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - So why did you emphasise the fact that they're a fifth tier team? Was this an attempt to mislead contributors into thinking they are insignificant? Personally I think any ground that has hosted top division football in a reasonably prominent football nation is notable. Given how old the ground is and the former prominence of the club, I would be surprised if there is not coverage of it in printed sources, but I have no idea whether there is a Serbian/Yugoslav newspaper archive. Number 57 17:21, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - If there are sources, produce them. That being said, while I don't question that you personally feel that such stadia should be notable, deletion discussions are based on the notability criteria that actually exist. Ravenswing 22:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/Redirect to the team. regardless of the tier of the team, this article is about the stadium. The single line stub has a single unreliable reference as its source. Where are the reliable sources for this to satisfy WP:GNG? Polyamorph (talk) 11:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to RFK Novi Sad 1921, the tenants/owners of this stadium. Giant Snowman 12:55, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No objections to a redirect; that was my first choice. Ravenswing 19:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to RFK Novi Sad 1921. They have been using it since forever. Some coverage can be found, e.g. "Počela rekonstrukcija fudbalskog stadiona "Detelinara"" [Reconstruction of football stadium Detelinara commences]. Radio Television of Vojvodina. 18 June 2020., with the mayor opening the works, but it's not a terribly important venue for uses other than by the FK Novi Sad. No such user (talk) 13:22, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For three seasons it served as top-level Yugoslavian soccer league venue. [2] Is it really not enough for notability? Would you also delete articles about former first league venues from Spain, France or Italy? Olos88 (talk) 22:01, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We have been explaining this to you over several AfDs now, and I'm baffled as to why you are refusing to accept it: notability is not inherited on Wikipedia. Articles of top-flight stadia from Spain, France and Italy would absolutely be liable for deletion or redirect if they were unsourced. Since this was asked by another uncomprehending editor, I checked all the stadia article for the Premier League. The stadium there with the least amount of sources has more sources than all of the Serbian football stadia articles combined; several of the stadium articles have over a hundred sources, and a few nearly THREE hundred. Ravenswing 00:09, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not every article should have over hundred sources, we create here long articles as well as stubs, which also have right to exist at least if the topic is considered as notable. And if the topic is: former level-one Yugoslavian stadium, then it is enough for notability, in fact, considering how big this country was, how popular football there was, for me it should be enough for stand alone article, if the stadium was a level-two venue in that country. Olos88 (talk) 09:11, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.