Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deniz Unay

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 20:34, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deniz Unay

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Fails WP:NBIO, WP:NAUTHOR. None of the references provide in-depth, reliable, independent coverage of Unay. Routine coverage only that is likely self-promotion. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:29, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Pure promo piece on an utterly non-notable character, fails WP:GNG / WP:BIO. Could have been speedied IMHO. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:54, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable writer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:15, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. After some off-wiki discussion a day or two ago I also believe WP:NACADEMIC#C7 is a stretch, and likely isn't met, so that's not an option either. Perryprog (talk) 21:21, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: My WP:BEFORE search may be limited by my location and language (I don't live in Turkey after all), but so far as I can see, there's nothing in the way of SIGCOV anywhere. Most sources just quote him rather than discussing him in depth, and then in any case those sources quoting him do look like run-of-the-mill coverage that normally finds little use for establishing notability. Additionally, the vast majority of the coverage on Unay is from one agency, and I have doubts as to if it is reliable. Java Hurricane 01:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I've seen this article twice as a draft, and both times (1) the sources were horriffically poor - most of them were basically just quoting/closely paraphrasing Unay - and (2) Google returned absolutely nothing useful (string: "deniz unay"). It's painfullly obvious the sourcing has not improved a whit. Whoever approved this needs to be pulled aside for a lecture. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 02:46, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the obstinancy we see and the quite apparent high conflict of interest, salt the earth after deletion and watchlist any variant names (Denis/Deniz Unai/Unei/Unay) as well. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 18:56, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I really don't understand how this could have been accepted at AfC. The sourcing is quite poor and the subject clearly does not meet WP:BIO, WP:NAUTHOR, or WP:GNG. Waggie (talk) 04:14, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:hello i read your comments on this article

1) If you search "Deniz Unay Social Media Expert" on Google News, you can find many explanations and articles in English. 2) "Sea Ünay" living in Turkey can examine a major name kaynaklard career completely addictive for Technology in Turkey "Social Responsibility Project" offers training and seminars for 5 years. not only in Turkey Erasmus Project has trained in eğitimcilere from abroad covered Finally, the Russian government Advocates of unity "for Social Media Regulation in Russia" online with expert names in the field in the world to have been invited to the conference Feedback has been published by inviting institutions and the Russian national press. 3) In addition, his articles have been translated into more than 15 languages. As you can see on the Talk page, Al Jazeraa has been featured in important news websites and International agencies such as Pakistan NY TIMES. 4) Deniz UNAY's views on the Covid 19 infodemia were included in the "Europan Science" Science journal and in the Spanish science article. 5) This article was previously rejected as duplicate content. Then it turned out that after my article was published, this error was copied and published by other sites. 6) Yesterday this article was approved by an admin, and then a warning was issued for this article in the form of a paid and for money article. I did not pay any name to any of them. This is definitely a mistake just like a copy content error, and I have no problem to give anyone a dignity that they do not have. Imagine if a person has been doing important studies in his country and around the world for 5 years, if his articles are translated from language to language and published, do you think there may be a doubt, I just added what I think is the most important by reviewing more than 2000 articles on googe news. It would be approved in a shorter time, not a long and controversial process like 4 months. 7) As for the conversations in the Wikipedia support chat room. I have applied all positive and constructive evaluations I deleted what I should have deleted I corrected the statements deemed inappropriate in the article. But I did not hurt me in the face of hurtful behavior towards me. I tried to understand and apply it correctly within 4 months. If the subject of this article did not deserve to be on Wikipedia, maybe it would be deleted in the first days. Frankly, it was a reason that made me hope and gave up. Finally, I do not want to lose my belief that you will be more positive and constructive in this article. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emremer (talk • contribs)

You were repeatedly told in -en-help and by reviewers who you couldn't bully that the article and its sourcing were unacceptable. Your responce was to refuse to take any criticism on board.
1. This is demonstrably false. You should not need the "social media expert" part of the string since the only sources I could find were name-drops of Uzay with the string I indicated. You were told this in no uncertain terms and ignored it.
2. These do not help for notability in the slightest due to Uzay's connexion to them. You were told this in no uncertain terms and ignored it.
3. This is irrelevant. The Al Jazeera source is literally just parroting what Uzay said, and the user who said that source was good walked it back in further discussion in -en-help - which you blatantly ignored.
4. Both of these are, as with the Al Jazeera source, literally just parroting what Uzay says. You were told this in no uncertain terms and ignored it.
5. That was already dispensed with, and is irrelevant to the present situation, as the issue here is WP:Notability, not copyvio. You were told this in no uncertain terms and ignored it in favour of continuing to scream about it.
6. This article should not have been accepted in the first place, which is more an indictment of your continued haranguing of them and their willingness to violate policy to placate you than the acceptableness of the content. Chicdat is also NOT an administrator.
7. You applied pretty much none of what myself and other helpers told you, instead repeating the same debunked arguments and flat-out just ignoring any sort of criticism levied towards your draft. The sources are scarcely different here than from the last time we spoke on IRC, and even then every single source was faulty.
Your entire argument here is a self-serving lie. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 07:52, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. This is *ahem* the third time that a user has pressured me into accepting an article. My weakness is with new users. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 11:58, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I found some interesting things. Whatever he says is taken and being reported on: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] (second half). One more source about his general life, though I doubt that this is enough. ~Styyx ^{Talk? ^-^} 08:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I think there is reason to suspect that the site is being paid to do this reporting. That site is more or less the only source on his statements, and all other sources clearly state that the quotes are from that website. Java Hurricane 08:42, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Those aren't so much "being reported on" as they are just quoting him. It's not significant coverage. I've seen most of those sources and dismissed them, and the new sources here are more of the same - quotes, no significant coverage of the guy. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 08:44, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Article writing course people in the opinions of a writer in Turkey will take place in dozens of different places.

Look, there are dozens of articles in Google News results. There is a Protocol document with the Ministry of Education. We are not talking about an ordinary person An important name who produces projects, whose opinions are asked, his articles have been translated into 15 languages, and his views used in science articles It's true I have trouble understanding Wikipedia, but I'm sure this person really deserves to be on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emremer (talk • contribs) 10:50, 5 February 2021 (UTC) Hello As far as I understand from the press in Turkey and I need to make a statement about the sources 1) "Anadolu Agency", one of my sources, is the state's news agency and is a 100-year-old news agency. "Anadolu Agency" broadcasts in about 10 languages. Here you need to be an important person to make a statement or express an opinion. 2) The Independent in Turkey Sea Ünay page belonging text itself has not caused any significant article you published. https://www.indyturk.com/node/136106/t%C3%BCrkiyeden-sesler/%C3%A7e%C5%9Fitli-ya%C5%9F-gruplar%C4%B1nda-teknoloji-ba%C4%9F % C4% B1ml% C4% B1l% C4% B1% C4% 9F% C4% B1-you-how-up-e-social 3) Many national publications such as Hurriyet, Milliyet in Turkey, Haberturk has included the explanation repeatedly. 4) Approximately 5 years in Turkey CNN consulted several times in the national news as Turkish TRT channel. 5) Recently, for the adverse share on social media for Vaccine Denial of Turkey Ministry of Health Sciences Board members who place their opinions after Anadolu Agency joined the program to the TV program has a news service https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coronavirus-outbreak/combat-infodemic-over-covid-19-vaccines-says-expert/2108013 In the title of this article, he is mentioned as a Turkish Social Media Expert and writer. It is also a name that has entered many national and international sources. why would you prefer paid publications? If you have contact with Wikipedia Turkish editors, these resources will definitely verify you. Frankly, I hope you will understand better and help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emremer (talk • contribs) 10:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1. Anadolu is a crap source that I've already discussed and dismissed in -en-help. You were told this in no uncertain terms and ignored it.
2. This is broken English and therefore impossible to try to respond to because it is nonsense as written. But I am fairly certain the Independent was discussed and dismissed on -en-help. You were told this in no uncertain terms and ignored it.
3. All of which were discussed and dismissed as little more than just repeating what Unay said, rather than discussing him. You were explicitly told this and you blew it off.
4. This is sophistry at best.
5. This is likewise sophistry. The source proffered was definitely discussed and dismissed as more parroting. You were told this in no uncertain terms and ignored it. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 15:06, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I've changed my mind – I regret accepting it. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 11:05, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - pure hype. Deb (talk) 12:44, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please see the results on this link

Has been featured in Kazakhstan News agency and websites https://www.google.com/search?q=site:kz+%22deniz+unay%22&filter=0&biw=1280&bih=612 Also in Vietnam https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Avn+%22deniz+unay%22&oq=site%3Avn+%22deniz+unay%22&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.7452j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Spanish https://www.eltelegrafo.com.ec/noticias/tecnologia/1/coronavirus-infodemia-pandemia There are many places even outside Turkey Please don't be so biased and negative For Wikipedia, it is not enough for you that someone has done major projects with the "Educator" Volunteer Author and the Ministry of Education in his own country. For example, look at this He prepared great galleries with his signature on special occasions such as Mother's Day, April 23 Children's Day, and these galleries became news in all national media. https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/pg/foto-galeri/basin-ilan-kurumundan-anneler-gunu-albumu- https://www.trthaber.com/haber/turkiye/dunya-gundemine-yon-veren-isimlerin-cocukluk-halleri-412886.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emremer (talk • contribs) 14:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Google is useless as a cite. Those first two sources are photo galleries that are ultimately name-drops at best, and the third is more of the same useless parroting of the subject instead of actually talking about them. All are useless. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 14:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete per above. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀🇺🇸 16:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not enough sources and not enough coverage. The article claims that he's a writer but he hasn't published any major works, books or articles either. Keivan.f^Talk 20:36, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — Okay, I stopped at the social media expert part, that’s all I needed to 'hear' to know this was utter BS. Celestina007 (talk) 20:43, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello, I'm having trouble understanding the discussion here 1) From the very beginning; I work with all my good intentions and efforts and offer many resources and references. But each editor looks at the behavior of the other and writes Delete, Delete Quickly Delete. 2) Well, if everyone is going to behave so cruelly and unfairly, new editors won't have much chance to survive ... 3) Yes, if you really want to lynch and delete them collectively, I don't have the power to prevent it. You can delete it is possible. 4) Everyone deserves to be conscientious, to see the effort, to be just and kind. Finally, if a referee or review team will listen to me and understand me, I am sure, outside of this environment. a more just conclusion will come ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emremer (talk • contribs) 08:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stop trying to pressure us - again - into keeping this article. Still Delete and not changing my mind. You're still not hearing what experienced editors explained to you, and you still do not believe that you did anything wrong. "I work[ed] with all my good intentions and efforts..." no, you did not. You stubbornly refused to listen. "[I] offer[ed] many resources and references." You didn't mention that they all failed WP:SIGCOV, WP:RS, and WP:V. "But each editor looks at the behavior of the other..." We didn't, we looked at policies, we did WP:BEFORE searches, we reviewed WP:URS, then we !voted. "...and writes Delete, Quickly [Speedy] Delete." Well, you would have gotten a lot more keep votes if you simply listened to us. We have a case of this here. There are six million other Wikipedia articles to edit. Just drop the stick and get the point! 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 11:20, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I personally suspect that this is an instance of WP:UPE or some other form of irreconciliable conflict of interest here. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 16:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please could you help me with this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources Say here Editors may also use material from reliable non-academic sources, particularly if it appears in respected mainstream publications. Other reliable sources include:

University-level textbooks Books published by respected publishing houses Magazines Mainstream newspapers

Ok let's take a look at my resources accordingly 1) file: /// Users / denizunay / Downloads / 6101-14047-1-PB% 20 (8) .pdf Europine Science Peer-reviewed scientific journal published in Europe The article is published by citing his article published by Anadolu Agency. 2) http://revistaestilosdeaprendizaje.com/article/download/2171/3207/ Scientific Paper Study for the European Observatory Committee of Experts Peer-reviewed scientific journal published in Europe The article is published by citing his article published by Anadolu Agency. 3) https://www.trt.net.tr/vizyondergisi/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/mart-2019.pdf State television TRT in Turkey belongs to "TRT Vision" magazine cover his "Game Not Cyberbullying" Cover the warning did. This news operation in the Republic of Turkey News on page 30 was given to the views of the Minister of Education and Minister of Transport. 4) Among my sources were links of organizations that broadcast Mainstream Regularly. Anadolu Agency Takes Jazerá Hurriyet, Milliyet bianet.org independent Turkish Haberturk tribune.co inside and outside of Turkey, such as many reliable sources https://mubasher.aljazeera.net/news/politics/2020/4/12/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%88%D9%85%D8 % A7% D8% AA-% D8% A7% D9 84% D9 85% D8% B6% D9 84% D9 84% D8% A9-% D9 81% D9% 8A% D8% B1% D9 88% D8% B3-% D8% A3% D9 83% D8% AB% D8% B1-% D8% A7% D9% 86% D8% AA% D8% B4% D8% A7% D8% B1% D8 A7 http://tribune.com.pk/story/2208176/8-connection-5g-COVID-19 5) He also has Turkish and English CV's of his own and enough information about himself and his work. Republic of Turkey Ministry of National Education, and I offer resources from other official institutions 6) Erasmus Program Training I presented as a source, https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tech-addiction-poses-mental-physical-threats-expert-150261/ In addition, the Russian National Press has given his views on the Social Media Law Regulation in Russia after the International Conference he attended. https://www.oprf.ru/press/news/2617/newsitem/56156 https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/2020/12/10_a_13394533.shtml 7) One of his articles translated into Vietnamese and published in the entire Vietnamese national press https://ictnews.vietnamnet.vn/cuoc-song-so/tong-thong-trump-mang-xa-hoi-dang-thao-tung-tu -do-ngon-luan-cua-cong-chung-253844.html 8) Self-written and published Children's storybook translated into Turkish and English He wrote a book called Muzip Yaman telling about technology addiction for primary and secondary school children, and it was translated into English with the name Willy Yaman. More resources from all the details are available on Google All of the resources I have provided to date meet all the criteria. He is an author, an educator, his book has been published. Please help me before deleting this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emremer (talk • contribs) 15:20, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1. That source is broken, but if it's one of the two pdfs I initially looked at (the two were identical, save for colourisation) then it's a name-drop and useless. You were explicitly told this and blew it off.
2. This is a non-starter. One paper cited to his work does not come within a light-year of meeting WP:NSCHOLAR.
3. I cannot assess this source, but given your overall behaviour and the quality of sources you've proffered thus far this is unlikely to be acceptable as a source.
4. Both the Al Jazeera and Tribune sources were discussed and dismissed. You were present when I assessed these sources and flat-out ignored what I said.
5. Cirricula vitae are not acceptable sources.
6. Hurriyet was discussed and dismissed, oprf.ru and Gazeta are yet more parroting of what Uzay says. None are usable.
7. The Vietnamese source proffered 404s out.
8. Anything that's "self-written and published" in a biography is only usable for confirming that he said/believes something, and is not usable for notability purposes.
Frankly, your behaviour verges on flooding the zone with shit. It's the worst aspects of a Gish gallop and sophistry I've ever seen, and it reinforces that you just plain have no interest in listening to any form of criticism. What is your connexion to Unay? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 16:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete: A7 Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ _Talk 19:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It is G11-worthy. Major promo/not notable Mario Jump 83! 23:23, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Emremer, what you're doing is a sign of bludgeoning. Don't force them to agree with you. If they have their reason on why the page should be deleted, then be it. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 10:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Barely found anything about him. Definitely a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 10:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not that most of us thought otherwise but Point #1 in this edit from Emremer says to me that this article is autobiographical. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:03, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Doubt it since that's how you say it in Turkish when literally translated. ~Styyx ^{Talk? ^-^} 19:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think they're referring to the filepath. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 22:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete per WP:A7 and WP:G11. Best, GPL93 (talk) 20:34, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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