Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delphic Expanse

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge and redirect to List of Star Trek regions of space. Bearian (talk) 20:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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This minor fictional topic has no real world notability asserted Ejfetters 07:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete this minor topic because of lack of notability. --Stormbay 19:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Transwiki to MemoryAlpha or, if this is not possible, Delete. Cumulus Clouds 21:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction & Fantasy-related deletions. --Gavin Collins 13:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - No assertion of notability. Judgesurreal777 20:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I've added a brief context. This was the location for the entire third season of Star Trek: Enterprise, with a 24-episode story arc. Instead of deletion, I propose merging other articles into this one including Trellium-D. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • But it has no real world notablility - WP:NOT, WP:FICT, WP:PLOT, WP:OR, fails these Ejfetters 19:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I'd say the setting of an entire season has some nontrivial real-world significance. Also, when you cite WP:NOT, don't just throw an acronym out; there are section links to specify some part of it, such as WP:CRYSTAL for future events, etc. Also note that WP:PLOT is part of WP:NOT, so that would suffice. With a little bit more sourcing and phasing work, it won't fail WP:OR or WP:PLOT. We have the technology. We can make it better! —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 21:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, reread the article twice now, can't seem to find any real-world notability, it appears totally in-universe. Could you please point out the notability? Ejfetters (talk) 23:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Suggestion: merge & redirect into a new article on the entire Xindi story arc, including Sphere Builders and perhaps even Xindi (Star Trek). This would put the location and other story elements into a context which I believe would be sufficiently notable. Merged article might be titled Star Trek: Enterprise Season 3. Any improvements on that? - Fayenatic (talk) 14:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - It's a setting/plot device. Without any material to explain how it was developed, critical reaction etc., it should be deleted. If there are critical sources out there, better to incorporate them into a third-season section of the Star Trek: Enterprise article. --EEMIV (talk) 05:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Better proposal: Merge and redirect to List of Star Trek regions of space, drafted at User:Fayenatic london/List of Star Trek regions of space.

With acknowledgements to User:Carcharoth: This is verifiable non-notable information that can be merged to an article on a notable topic to provide the wider context that is needed. A list does not require reliable sources to establish the independent notability of its constituent items; all that is required is that the concept being listed is notable. The individual items do not have to be notable. Wikipedia:Notability quite clearly states the following:

"If appropriate sources cannot be found, if possible, merge the article into a broader article providing context" [...] "For instance, articles on minor characters in a work of fiction may be merged into a "list of minor characters in ..."."

A merger of the locations is viable, like minor characters. Putting this alongside e.g. Briar Patch (Star Trek) actually strikes me as rather helpful and encyclopedic. As for redirecting: keeping redirects is cheap, allows categorisation e.g. by series, and prevents existing links from going red. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• That's an incredible list you have there. Merge and redirect per Fayenatic. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 14:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless referenced with reliable, independent sources. Just because Star Trek is notable, it does not make every plot setting notable. Nuttah (talk) 21:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, and nor is every minor character notable. However, the concept of minor characters is notable, and so is the concept of locations. So, apply the policy, and create a list (e.g. using my draft). - Fayenatic (talk) 22:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into a Season 3 article, along with Sphere Builders et al. Per guidance and (interpreted) intent of WP:EPISODE relating to season pages. VigilancePrime (talk) 21:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect per Fayenatic - appears to be a better option as far a classification of material is concerned. Agathoclea (talk) 22:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect per Fayenatic as well. I think this is a good compromise (and I echo Disavian -- nice list!). • WarpFlyght (talk • contribs) 01:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have gone ahead and created List of Star Trek regions of space, as requested by the admin who closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Badlands (Star Trek). It includes this article. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.