Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deir

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Juliette Han (talk) 10:13, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Deir, oh deir. One Arabic word definition does not a dab (or any) page make. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, there's a whole bunch more articles that should be disambiguated from here, including one that is an acronym, not Arabic. I'll put together a collection. -- Beland (talk) 16:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Clarityfiend: There are a bunch more that I would add from [1] if we want to keep this page. If we don't want to keep this as a disambiguation page, it was originally created as a redirect to Deir ez-Zor. I'd rather redirect there than delete completely and put a hatnote for draft environmental impact report. But do you think this type of expansion justifies keeping the page? -- Beland (talk) 17:48, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but you clearly don't understand what a dab page is for. Those entries you want to add added violate WP:partial title match. A redirect to Deir ez-Zor makes no sense (why that one and not one of the hundreds of other places that start with Deir?). Finally, "draft environmental impact report" is not even mentioned in the linked article. A redirect to Department of Employment and Industrial Relations would seem to be the only legitimate option. Naah, that would be DEIR. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fair argument, but I feel like I'm being called a stupid person. I've made a lot of disambiguation pages; it's just unclear to me which words in some of these places are used as a shorter version of the name, as I'm not familiar with the local cultures. I added a note about DEIR to Environmental impact statement and redirected there. EIS and EIR are the same thing by different names in different jurisdictions; DEIRs are typically prepared for the public comment part of the process. -- Beland (talk) 14:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You added that note but without any sources supporting that the abbreviations were used: I've sourced them, and have now added draft environmental impact report to my draft dab page at Talk:Deir. PamD 19:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The buildings and cities are partial-name matches, and neither Environmental impact assessment—the redirect target to 'Draft environmental impact report'—nor Environmental impact statement use the acronym or the spelled-out form. The latter page includes 'DEIS', but not 'DEIR'. Cnilep (talk) 00:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Striking !vote per PamD. Cnilep (talk) 04:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, much modified. I've put a draft at Talk:Deir. There's a man with the surname, and a couple of usages which are the sort I'd include in any dab page: not partial match but (a) Ad Deir, equivalent of "The ..." and (b) Tell Deir, where "Tell" is a generic term (see infobox: "type: Tell"), like "river". Then we can help the reader by providing a couple of useful links in the "See also". If there was any evidence of DEIR being used as an abbreviation, include it in the same page. PamD 11:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And the seventh-largest city in Syria, Deir ez-Zor is apparently also known as "Ad-Deir", so deserves a mention on the dab page. (That name was added to the article some time in 2011, bolded, though no-one bothered to make a redirect from it at the time - I checked in case it had been recently shoehorned in apropos of this discussion!) PamD 11:58, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep PamD's modified version. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:44, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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