Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Arguments for this article's retention do not correlate to our policies on articles of this nature; any information on his death should be in the biographical article itself, as mentioned by some of the editors in the below discussion. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 19:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Until 17th January,[1] it looked like some attack page based on unreliable hate sites. Almost nothing has been inserted in the section Mirza Ghulam Ahmad#Death. This page is not really required, even if his death notable there is generally no need of this page as it could be written in the death section of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. His death is not even debated. Bladesmulti (talk) 08:53, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete At this time the article does not source itself as required. The only thing which appears to be even remotely non POV is the Ian Adamson book. We should just move Adamson's material to the death section and remove this page. Some might say "oh its a notable event" but something being notable is no justification for making a poorly sourced, unreliable , non neutral POV hate page for the said event. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 14:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:24, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:24, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:24, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:32, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Poor sources certainly don't support a spinout page and may not support coverage of a "controversy" at all if it can't be better substantiated. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and move anything salvageable to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad#Death per OP, though I suspect that will be very little if anything. Reliable sourcing is almost nil. I concur with Roscelese above. C 1 (talk) 21:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. His death was notable event in the subcontinent for his followers and his critics. The article should be kept separately on Wikipedia. Owais Khursheed (Talk to me) 17:26, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The article is notable and there is no doubt about it. If it is poorly sourced it can be modified by experts but should not be deleted. Wikipedia is edited by experts and non experts. Experts will try to modify and keep the article as it is notable and the editors which are not experts will try to delete it because they have negligible capability to modify it, that is the bottom line. Owais Khursheed (Talk to me) 07:47, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:I agree with the comment that "experts" are needed to modify this article. And until such an expert is found the article should be deleted. I am quite sure that if an expert recreates this article and removes the concerns which the article has at this moment then he will be making a good contribution and his article will be accepted. However the current article is more of an attack page than an "article". I think we should delete this article asap and then put a comment in the talkpage of the parent article saying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad#Death was once an article but it was deleted due to grave concerns about sourcing and integrity of information. This way if an expert in the subject comes along he will be able to create the page while keeping in mind the concerns which have risen now. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 08:12, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment we can left the messages on the talks of Autopatrolled users that are expert in biographical articles and other stuff related to it. Instead of recreation it is east to modify the article. Here it is not the case we lack experts but we have to inform them about the matter.

Owais Khursheed (Talk to me) 08:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP This article is about a notable event in the history of Islam in South Asia. However sourcing should be improved. Egopearl (talk) 07:58, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete It's a subset of "Criticism of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad" and thus should be deleted if the latter was correctly decided to be deleted. Much of what exists currently was written by me, so I'm going to keep a copy of it.--Peaceworld 11:09, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge any sourced info that isn't in the death section of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, then redirect to that page. If I wanted to know about him, I would read that page and expect all this information, including information about any controversies surrounding his death, to be there. If there's enough for a stand-alone article there should be a link to it at the top of the death section. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.