Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Davfs2

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 23:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Davfs2

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I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 01:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 22:11, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak delete~~. Worthwhile though this software may be it does not seem to have enough coverage. It gets mentions in various books and articles but always as a minor component of something bigger. This might be enough for verification but not notability. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand, though notability may be an issue. --Mokhov (talk) 20:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability is an issue. What's your reason for wanting to keep it when notability hasn't been shown? Is it because you think that it's useful? If it is, that is not a valid reason for keeping an article. Joe Chill (talk) 20:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - My basic reason here is that most file systems are notable in some way to exist (leaving aside my personal attachment to them). And also I am more of an inclusionist :-) Perhaps not the most compelling reasons to keep the article from some editors here, but nonetheless the said reasons prompted me to cast the vote. If the general consensus will tend to deletion, I would recommend perhaps merging it into some place referenced in File system or at least documenting some of it in Comparison of file systems. --Mokhov (talk) 20:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Not notable in the Wikipedia sense. Keep and delete !votes in AFD that don't reference at least one guideline are discounted by the closing admin. Joe Chill (talk) 21:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Fair enough. I am not wedded to it; if I were I would look up a couple, but won't expend any more effort regarding this article for now to see what others have to say. --Mokhov (talk) 22:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: from the Department of Second Thoughts: if the consensus is to delete please move it to my user's space; I'll try to salvage and nurture it to an acceptable level, including notability proofs, for re-inclusion into the main article space, when I have time. That is if you guys practice such things for non-creators. --Mokhov (talk) 22:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's allowed. Joe Chill (talk) 00:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Brandon (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... Joe Chill, what's the quality of O'Reily and other couple of books as well as some Google scholar refs in your opinion WRT the coverage of davfs2? I think they are acceptable 3rd party sources, at least some. I have [to] go now, but I can definitively convert some of these into inline refs for sure. --Mokhov (talk) 04:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~I think that it is enough for free software, but I can't withdraw it because of the weak delete. Joe Chill (talk) 11:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)~~[reply]
Keep - The article exists already, covers a valid topic and is structured properly. Granted, it is not an exhaustive article, but it serves the purpose of being a simple reference for this tool. --AStanhope (talk) 12:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:GNG, something that the keep voters are yet to deal with. Ironholds (talk) 13:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:GNG is not applicable here. There are a number of independent academic and non-academic publications covering the topic over a span of years at least between 2004-2008 published by IEEE, ACM, and USENIX, and O'Reilly of works that use and/or reference davfs2. I've added 7 of them to the article as examples, and now I am laying my case to rest. --Mokhov (talk) 15:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge I don't believe the subject of this article fails the notability guideline. I think the article should be expanded and while it could certainly use some citations, it provides enough information to easily meet the stub guideline. I found coverage of this software in a number of published books such as Version Control with Subversion ISBN 0-596-51033-0 and others so the authors of these books and the WebDAV community at least consider this project to be important enough to give coverage to. The software is also included with many major Linux distributions such as Debian Linux [1] which has often been used as a metric to establish notability for articles about open source software. While I think there is enough information to work with to expand this article, if it is to remain a stub, merging or expanding this article into a larger article about WebDAV is another option as I can find plenty of coverage for mod_dav and mod_dav_fs with Google Books [2] [3] and other searches. --Tothwolf (talk) 13:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But does the coverage add up to significant? I've only been able to find brief mentions which include almost nothing but the name. Ironholds (talk) 14:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As I already said above, I found enough material via Google, Google Scholar, and Google Books where I feel the subject of the article meets the notability guideline. As I also mentioned above, the software is included with major Linux distributions so the larger open source software community clearly considers it important and thinks it receives enough usage to warrant inclusion and distribution with major Linux distributions. --Tothwolf (talk) 14:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Ironholds -- it certainly does. Subversion is a notable and widely used version control system today. Plus see other refs. I added for example. --Mokhov (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
@Tothwolf -- the references have been found earlier. I suggest to also add them to article when you mention them here, just like I just did. It would help the article tremendously, or, if not tremendously, it may improve it to an acceptable keep level. I added 7 of them to the article. You can add other noteworthy ones as well as help expanding the article. Thanks :-) --Mokhov (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not notable, sources given establish that it exists, not that it is notable. Minor mentions do not establish notability. Miami33139 (talk) 04:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Subversion mention in the books is far from "minor". Some contain entire sections on how to install and configure it for Apache and why. --Mokhov (talk) 04:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment User:Miami33139 showed up here as part of their wikistalking me after I added the WP:COMP {{WikiProject Computing}} banner template to a number of articles that Miami33139 prodded as part of a mass-prod of software articles. They have gone on to prod, AfD, and revert all sorts of my edits. --Tothwolf (talk) 05:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into WebDAV (or even into a new article about WebDAV-based filesystems).

The general topic of WebDAV-based file systems is important enough that Wikipedia should cover them, but articles about the individual file systems would be short and repetitive. So we should create a section of WebDAV (or even a new article) that discusses WebDAV-based filesystems, both the one built in to Mac OS X and those for Linux: davfs2 (the most important, AFAICT), fusedav, and wdfs. (We would keep davfs2 as a redirect, of course.) I'm afraid I'm too busy to do this myself; any volunteers? CWC 04:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Change to merge. This sounds good to me. There is enough coverage to justify brief inclusion of this product as part of another, more generic, article. --DanielRigal (talk) 11:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.