Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darrel J. Gardner

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:36, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Lots of sources; none of them useful for showing notability. Almost all are primary, those that aren't aren't reliable. In short, there is nothing here that shows this person is anything but a successful lawyer, and that isn't a reason to have an article on Wikipedia. Fails ANYBIO, and no SNG applies. John from Idegon (talk) 00:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete insufficient coverage in reliable secondary sources. Nwlaw63 (talk) 04:18, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Do Not Delete Significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Not a low-profile individual. Noteworthy accomplishments.Alaska Law 08:37, 22 February 2018 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: AlaskaLaw (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]

AlaskaLaw Do you represent a lawfirm or other organization? 331dot (talk) 09:44, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

{u|331dot}} I do not. Regarding notability, similar to becoming a judge, the subject has attained a pinnacle of achievement in the Alaska legal community as president of the Bar Association. This is reliably verified through secondary sources. ^[1] .Alaska Law 12:53, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please offer those sources, which cannot be press releases or basic announcements. While undoubtedly important to the Alaska legal community, is President of the bar a high profile position among the general public? I live in Maine and I couldn't tell you who the President of the bar is. 331dot (talk) 16:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's because the media chooses to shove the office of the president down our throats at every possible opportunity, to the exclusion of who knows how many other topics, because their audiences are dumbed-down enough to accept that as valid. It's unfortunate how far the quality of the encyclopedia has declined because the community, in its never-ending quest for low-hanging fruit, has chosen to mindlessly parrot such a stance. Judging from the article creator's contributions, it's safe to call them an SPA and their contributions COI spam, because those contributions make it appear as though they're representative of the topic of law in Alaska when they aren't. However, I don't see how this differs from any other editor who skews the encyclopedia in the wrong direction by only writing about what they feel like, regardless of how unrepresentative that work is, because we lack the sort of community necessary to identify and rectify POV such as that. Since we're on the topic of law in Alaska, a rather pertinent case in point: Karen L. Loeffler and Bryan Schroder are complete and total nobodies when compared with at least a half dozen of their predecessors. From what I've seen, the only coverage Schroder has received has been in the form of press releases related to his appointment as U.S. Attorney. Please explain why it appears that one set of standards applies to Schroder while another is being applied to Gardner. Please do so in a manner which doesn't boil down to one holding a particular title and the other holding another title. To echo what's been pointed out, both would be considered statewide leadership positions within this community. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:46, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have commented on the article in front of me and nothing else, and am "parroting" nothing but my own opinion on this nomination. You are of course free to disagree on the merits of this nomination. Thank you for your views. 331dot (talk) 03:31, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

{u|331dot}} According to Wikipedia, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia) to be notable, a Wikipedia topic must be "the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works from sources that are reliable and independent of the subject and of each other." I am not a frequent editor, and this page has been up for more than three years. This process of proposed deletion is new to me, very interesting, and generated research on my part. I have contributed several biographies of living persons in an attempt to broaden Wikipedia's coverage of notable Alaskan attorneys. The Alaskan attorneys listed on Wikipedia include similar citations to sources to the subject topic. For example, the citations to support the independent topic Rich Curtner reflect no more secondary sources than the references to the subject lawyer. I also do not know the president of the Maine Bar Association. However, the subject attorney appears notable, particularly with respect to Alaskan lawyers. He is the only lawyer to have been elected president of three different bar associations - the Alaska Chapter of the Federal Bar Association, the Alaska Bar Association, and the Alaska Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He is the first Alaska Bar president to have been born and raised in Anchorage ^[2]. He is the first Alaskan Lawyer to have been elected to national office in the Federal Bar Association, as Vice President of the Ninth Circuit. He is the first Alaskan lawyer to be elected chair of the Lawyer Representatives Coordinating Committee for the Ninth Circuit. He a published author in The Federal Lawyer Magazine and the Alaska Dispatch News. He has been quoted in Forbes and has other media appearances. I cite the following additional sources to support notability of this Alaskan lawyer: https://www.ktoo.org/2017/08/31/alaska-bar-programs-provide-legal-help-low-income-residents/

https://www.kcaw.org/2017/08/30/lawyers-online-bar-assn-develop-app-low-income-alaskans/ https://www.adn.com/author/darrel-j-gardner/ http://www.americanbarfoundation.org/news/813 http://www.fedbar.org/PDFs/Current-Judicial-Profiles/profile-holland17.aspx https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianahembree/2017/03/29/text-while-driving-pay-10000-why-draconian-punishments-dont-work/#5a4ba11565ee https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/crime-courts/2016/11/19/how-can-investigators-trace-bullets-to-a-particular-gun/ http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2011/05_06/2011_05_10_Boots_SexOffender.htm https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/bill-would-speed-criminal-trial-process-victims-behalf/2012/02/13/ https://www.juridipedia.com/XX/Unknown/1688230211428733/Alaska-Association-of-Criminal-Defense-Lawyers http://www.fedbar.org/Resources_1/Federal-Lawyer-Magazine/2015/March/Departments/Chapter-Exchange.aspx?FT=.pdf http://www.fedbar.org/Resources_1/Federal-Lawyer-Magazine/2013/May/Departments/Chapter-Exchange.aspx?FT=.pdf https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1934954450081564&id=100007010826103 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1668142240096121&id=100007010826103 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1819364191640591&id=100007010826103 https://www.facebook.com/FederalBar/posts/1503668579664511 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alaska Law (talk • contribs) 01:49, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Discuss 05:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Discuss 05:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Most of the sources are primary sources and only cite specific information, they do not indicate how the subject is notable as Wikipedia defines it. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete a non--notable lawyer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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