Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daran Norris
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The result was keep. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Minimal notability. All voice acting credits are one-or-two-shot characters or "additional voices" (except a primary character on T.U.F.F. Puppy). Only live action roles are one-shot characters. Only source in article is IMDb. Search on Gnews turned up only links to TV.com or articles that said "Character X, voiced by Daran Norris..." and nothing else about him. This article has been around for six years without a single secondary source, and was tagged for notability and sources since February 2009. He utterly fails WP:GNG as there are no secondary sources that say anything significant about him. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 05:29, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment while many of the roles are "minor one one-or-two-shot characters" he voiced the main character in Bastard!!, a major character in Fushigi Yūgi, and a major character in The Fairly OddParents. Edward321 (talk) 01:18, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- But surely the utter lack of sources and biographical info supercedes WP:ENT. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I know specifically I have come to his wiki page, looking to see what he was in, if i did hear him in that thing, etc. Just because he is a guy who stays out of the media spotlight somehow translates into he isn't notable enough? I'm sorry, but I don't know enough about wikipedia policies to cite a reason that this page should not be deleted - but please, someone should. 206.211.157.158 (talk) 11:37, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 03:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Never a good idea to send to AFD simply due to WP:NOEFFORT or to force WP:CLEANUP by others. Nominator made an unfortunate mis-statement when saying "all voice acting credits are one-or-two-shot characters or additional voices". This is patently incorrect, and this individual meets WP:ENT through easily verifiable [1][2] and quite lengthy career[3] with numerous significant roles roles in multiple notable productions stretching from at least 1977 through 2010. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Apparently this fellow never turns down a job. Among his several hundred television, film, and video game projects, I note his being a major character in 44 episodes of Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide, recurring in 17 episodes of Veronica Mars, and voicing characters in 18 episodes of The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, 22 episodes of Codename: Kids Next Door, and major characters in 50 episodes of The Fairly Odd Parents and the several The Fairly Odd Parents movies, and 71 episodes of The Replacements. The nominator may have simply missed them when he thought to only mention T.U.F.F. Puppy and called these others "one-shot". Meeting ENT is easily verifiable. Time now to further expand and source. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Further, I have found that he is searchable under at least seven different permutations of his name and under at least seven different pseudonyms. Yikes. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:56, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Apparently this fellow never turns down a job. Among his several hundred television, film, and video game projects, I note his being a major character in 44 episodes of Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide, recurring in 17 episodes of Veronica Mars, and voicing characters in 18 episodes of The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, 22 episodes of Codename: Kids Next Door, and major characters in 50 episodes of The Fairly Odd Parents and the several The Fairly Odd Parents movies, and 71 episodes of The Replacements. The nominator may have simply missed them when he thought to only mention T.U.F.F. Puppy and called these others "one-shot". Meeting ENT is easily verifiable. Time now to further expand and source. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- I've noticed you found differnt names for this actor, but where did you find the names? Since you added all of them to his article, shouldn't they be sourced? —Mike Allen 23:01, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- They are listed in the various sites being used to WP:V his career, and as I found each, I added it to the infobox per instruction at Template:Infobox person#Parameters. It is always strange when an actor chooses to use so many pseudonyms... but it happens... and having them there and here could certainly aid in searches. However, if it is found that any particular one does not eventually lead back in some way to he and his work in voice-over, it might certainly be removed. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:51, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Schmidt. This person has multiple roles in things, and if you source the credits this does meet notability and passes WP:ENTERTAINER. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Yes, he has preformed multiple roles, but since his filmography does list the roles he played, its impossible to determine if the role were significant enough to pass WP:NACTOR without doing a lot more digging. Looking through [4], the roles listed there all appear to be of the "extra voices" variety. —Farix (t | c) 14:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- @ Farix: You're looking through the wrong end of the scope, as Wikipedia does not judge an actor by the least of his roles. Sure, in his career, and like most actors, he has had minor roles... and yes, as a versatile voice artist with a 33-year career, he has lent his skills to "other voices", as well as to significant characters. But so what? WP:ENT instructs "significant roles in notable productions", and does not instruct looking at only insignifcant roles instead. Or is it that you asserting that his significant (lead) roles in (multiple) notable productions can be ignored because he has also done minor roles? Even had he done nothing else ever (harumph), his being Gordy in 44 episodes of Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide, being Cliff McCormack in 17 episodes of Veronica Mars, Buddha Bob in (so far) 4 episodes of Big Time Rush, qualify him meeting guideline... and his being Dick Daring in 71 episodes of The Replacements from 2006 through 2009, and his voicing Mr. Turner, Cosmo, and Jorgen Von Strangle, for the The Fairly OddParents franchise from 2001 to present... including 50 episodes of the television series, six specials, and seven TV movies, as well as voicing these same chararacters in the related Jimmy Timmy Power Hour trilogy: The Jimmy Timmy Power Hour, The Jimmy Timmy Power Hour 2: When Nerds Collide, and The Jimmy Timmy Power Hour 3: The Jerkinators, are icing on the cake of notability. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You missed my point entirely. The article does not describe any of Daran Norris roles. All it does is list a series of films and tv series that he appears in, regardless of whether he portrays a minor or major characters. And if one checks the sources, all they see are a bunch of very minor roles. If there are any major roles, they are affectingly "buried" in the text wall. —Farix (t | c) 13:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah. Understood. I have begun expanding on and sourcing some of the major characters to "unbury" them. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:18, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You missed my point entirely. The article does not describe any of Daran Norris roles. All it does is list a series of films and tv series that he appears in, regardless of whether he portrays a minor or major characters. And if one checks the sources, all they see are a bunch of very minor roles. If there are any major roles, they are affectingly "buried" in the text wall. —Farix (t | c) 13:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- @ Farix: You're looking through the wrong end of the scope, as Wikipedia does not judge an actor by the least of his roles. Sure, in his career, and like most actors, he has had minor roles... and yes, as a versatile voice artist with a 33-year career, he has lent his skills to "other voices", as well as to significant characters. But so what? WP:ENT instructs "significant roles in notable productions", and does not instruct looking at only insignifcant roles instead. Or is it that you asserting that his significant (lead) roles in (multiple) notable productions can be ignored because he has also done minor roles? Even had he done nothing else ever (harumph), his being Gordy in 44 episodes of Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide, being Cliff McCormack in 17 episodes of Veronica Mars, Buddha Bob in (so far) 4 episodes of Big Time Rush, qualify him meeting guideline... and his being Dick Daring in 71 episodes of The Replacements from 2006 through 2009, and his voicing Mr. Turner, Cosmo, and Jorgen Von Strangle, for the The Fairly OddParents franchise from 2001 to present... including 50 episodes of the television series, six specials, and seven TV movies, as well as voicing these same chararacters in the related Jimmy Timmy Power Hour trilogy: The Jimmy Timmy Power Hour, The Jimmy Timmy Power Hour 2: When Nerds Collide, and The Jimmy Timmy Power Hour 3: The Jerkinators, are icing on the cake of notability. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Yes, he has preformed multiple roles, but since his filmography does list the roles he played, its impossible to determine if the role were significant enough to pass WP:NACTOR without doing a lot more digging. Looking through [4], the roles listed there all appear to be of the "extra voices" variety. —Farix (t | c) 14:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This actor has minor notable roles and is not an innapropriate person to have a page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.86.222 (talk) 19:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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