Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dalia seera

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 23:23, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was prodded after an objection to my merge proposal on the talk page, citing concerns about notability. Further research showed the objection was well-founded, but it was deprodded by User:Andrew Davidson without explanation. I found few reliable sources, but best as I can tell, the term appears to be a composite of two languages: Marathi (sheera) and Hindi (Dalia). Looks like editorial bungling. "Sheera" is a halva made with suji/rava (semolina), and "lapsi" is a type of porridge made with dalia (bulgur). There are no reliable sources for the construction "Dalia sheera". Spudlace (talk) 01:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Spudlace (talk) 01:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 01:29, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge This is sheera made with cracked wheat instead of semolina. In other words, it's a wholemeal form of the dish. This is best dealt with by merger rather than deletion per WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. The best target seems to be Suji ka Halwa rather than halva but maybe that should be merged too – it's a large family of variations. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:29, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No it isn't. That halva can be made without water is a defining feature of the dish, which originated in the desert. Lapsi is a whole grain. Unlike most porridges, lapsi is toasted in ghee before adding water, but it is cooked by the process of absorbing water. It is somewhere between a halva and a porridge, but substantially different from halva. If we look to reliable sources, we would find that there is no term "Dalia Seera" in use, outside a handful of non-notable food blogs - even leaving a redirect would be inappropriate. This should not have been deprodded. Spudlace (talk) 00:01, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I should have pinged @Knightoften: as a participant to the merge discussion. Correcting that oversight. Spudlace (talk) 00:01, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge into Halva. It can be summarized in one paragraph. Ambrosiawater (talk) 19:11, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Treating this as a merge propposal is problematic because concerns were raised under the existing merge proposal (still open on the talk page) about the verifiability notability of the content under discussion. There is opposition to the merge proposal on the talk page it should not be split to an alternate merge proposal at AfD where the knowledgeable editors who watch halvah are not aware of a discussion taking place. Spudlace (talk) 20:24, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose merge and Agree to Deletion Spudlace, Thank you for pinging me, otherwise I would have been unaware of this discussion. As stated by Spudlace, there is a discussion on the Halva talk page. I oppose merging on grounds of notability and lack of citation. That is my only problem with it; if the article can be brought up to standard then it can be merged. Frankly, I don't really know too much about Dalia seera myself, this is going off the original article. Knightoften (talk) 23:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Article does not have SIGCOV, its basically trivia and there is nothing properly sourced to merge. Strong objection to merging unsourced content. If someone wishes to research this and add properly sourced information to another article, they certainly can, but there is nothing here to merge and the merge proposal was objected to previously.  // Timothy :: talk  00:07, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and Oppose Merge. Fails WP:SIGCOV. We can let the editors hash out where and how to address dalia seera at the ongoing talk page discussion at Talk:Halva. At this point, a merge appears to not be the best option due to poor referencing.4meter4 (talk) 01:09, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.