Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Curse of the Inauguration

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Sports-related curses. already merged and redirected JForget 15:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Curse of the Inauguration

~~===Sports in Philadelphia=== (formerly Curse of the Inauguration)~~

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This page references a single article in the Philadelphia Daily News, which is the only possible reference I have been able to find regarding this alleged "curse". It seems to be a fabrication of one particular sportswriter in Philadelphia. There are other references to it in a search that seem to be simple mirrors of the original article. No other sources are available. The topic has not received significant coverage per WP:N. I don't believe it's appropriate for a stand-alone article; suggest deletion and redirect to Sports-related curses, where it is already mentioned with its single reference. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the creator redirected it to Sports in Philadelphia, though I don't know if that's the most appropriate location; since the article had only one source, redirecting to the Philly sports article instead of the location in Sports-related curses that actually talks about the curse could create an issue. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 02:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Even in trying to look at the history of the redirect, I can't tell what the content of the "Curse of the Inauguration" article was supposed to be, or whether "Sports in Philadelphia" existed before "Curse" did. In any event, the curse article seems to have been broken. Mandsford (talk) 14:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article Sports in Philadelphia has been around for quite some time, and I am not under any circumstances proposing that it be deleted. I was proposing the deletion of the Curse of the Inauguration, but it seems to have be subsumed. If you're looking for the pre-redirected version, see here. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 17:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'm glad that the "curse" article is gone, hopefully never to rear its ugly head again. Mandsford (talk) 19:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Repoint to Sports-related curses per nom. The term is too broad to apply only to Philly. GlassCobra 02:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It seems to have no merit - the article refers to a COLUMN in the Philly Daily News. Unlike a NEWS ARTICLE, columnists are permitted to editorialize and sensationalize, which is clearly done here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sme3 (talk • contribs)

The content is already in Sports-related curses; the best purpose this article can serve now is as a redirect. GlassCobra 15:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I almost changed my stand to redirecting to Sports-related curses, but looking at other entries in that article, I find no substantive reason to believe that the so-called curse even exists (to the extent that any "curse" can be "credible"). Examples: The Curse of the Bambino has been widely documented: it has a cause (trading of Babe Ruth) and notable effect (86 years without a championship). The Curse of Billy Penn has been well documented, has a cause (agreement broken when structures built higher than the City Hall statue), and an effect (curse "broken" when a figurine was set on the Comcast Center). This so-called curse has been only mentioned once by one columnist, has no apparent cause or origin, and, as per the article, the city is not winless in inauguration years - just on a 7-game losing streak. That's all it is - a streak. There is no lure, and I doubt anyone even made the connection before this columnist. I'd delete the article and remove the reference from the Sports-related curses article. But if that doesn't pass, I suppose I support redirecting to the "Curses" article as a second-choice -Sme3 (talk) 15:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, the question of whether this material belongs in Sports-related curses is a discussion for that article's talk page. This AfD is merely meant to decide the fate of this article, ~~Sports in Philadelphia~~ Curse of the Inauguration. As we've already seen, this curse does not deserve a standalone article and has already had its content merged to the parent; thus, this article is now best suited to be a redirect, until such time may arrive that the material is removed from the main curses article. GlassCobra 19:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD was never meant to determine the fate of Sports in Philadelphia. It was about the curse article, which is now gone. This AfD should be procedurally closed. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GlassCobra, I agree that this is not the place to debate what belongs in Sports-related curses, I mentioned it just to not appear contradictory. Killervogel5 is correct -- this discussion is about Curse of the Inauguration, however it does still exist, here (as a redirect). (Sports in Philadelphia dates back to 2006 and is not, to my knowledge, up for discussion) By the way, this is not the first time this user has redirected an article while under AfD. -Sme3 (talk) 20:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion should probably be ported over to WP:Redirects for discussion. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 20:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that is my mistake, I'd meant to say Curse of the Inauguration above. I'd agree with a procedural close since the article is now a redirect, which is what I'd been arguing for (though it points to Sports in Philadelphia, not Sports-related curses, which should be fixed). If one of you would like to initiate an RfD or discussion of content at Talk:Sports-related curses, I have no objection to that. GlassCobra 16:01, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure moving it to RfD is the right thing to do, as the original author changed it to a redirect for the very purpose of avoiding the AfD -- just like he/she did with the Knicks–Rangers championship runs of 1994 article I referenced earlier. That article was deleted under the AfD procedure here (and apparently recreated earlier this week). Either way, while the procedure and fate surrounding this article are debated, I'm going to boldly redirect it to Sports-related curses. I think we all agree that this redirect is more relevant than the current one. (If I am overstepping some procedural bounds I don't know about, please feel free to revert and accept my apologies). -Sme3 (talk) 17:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BOLD is of course still a guideline, so I have no issues with your change at all. :) I think we can close this issue and this AfD safely now. However, I did investigate Knicks–Rangers championship runs of 1994 and agree that this needs attention. Unless the material from the former article is explicitly mentioned in the MSG article, the redirect ought to be taken to RfD and deleted. GlassCobra 19:19, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I've had a change of heart -- I guess we should evaluate the article based on the RfD criteria now, which is much more generous than the AfD criteria. On the remote chance that some stumbles on the Daily News column and types the term into Wikipedia, I guess I can't object to it staying. I wouldn't shed a tear, though, if it were to go away! :) -Sme3 (talk) 21:32, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:26, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.