Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crypto-communism (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:21, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Crypto-communism

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Dictionary definition without potential for growth. The term is certainly used by all kinds of sources including media, books, and journal articles, but I can't find significant coverage on the concept itself, which suggests it's not a notable one. Lennart97 (talk) 23:22, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Lennart97 (talk) 23:22, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For reference, an article at this title was first nominated for deletion in 2005, apparently for pretty much the same reasons, which resulted in its deletion. The current article was created in 2009. Lennart97 (talk) 23:27, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:23, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:42, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per the coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

References

^ Shtromas, Alexander (2003). Totalitarianism and the Prospects for World Order, Closing the Door on the Twentieth Century. Lexington Books. pp. 257–258. ISBN 9780739105344.
^ Labin, Suzanne (1960). The Technique of Soviet Propaganda. United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary.
^ "Crypto-Communist Charges By Mr. Churchill". The Sydney Morning Herald. 19 April 1947. p. 3. Retrieved 28 November 2021.
^ Christian Gerlach; Clemens Six, eds. (2020). The Palgrave Handbook of Anti-Communist Persecutions. Springer International Publishing. p. 9. ISBN 9783030549633.

SailingInABathTub (talk) 20:13, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per BathTub, but expansion is needed. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I appreciate the expansion so far by BathTub, but as far as I can see none of these sources address the topic of crypto-communism "directly and in detail", which would be necessary to establish the concept's notability per GNG. If a source mentions "crypto-communists" but doesn't even define the term, instead considering it self-evident that a crypto-communist is simply a secretive communist, I'd say that just confirms it is not an independently notable topic. Lennart97 (talk) 19:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A source does not need to define the term for it to be considered significant coverage, but #4 does anyway. #1 has two pages on an instance of crypto-communism, the entirety of #2 discusses the relationship between crypto communism and soviet propaganda, and crypto-communism is the main subject of #3. I consider that to constitute significant coverage. SailingInABathTub (talk) 20:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. #1 seems decent indeed as it discusses actual instances of crypto-communism, more of that kind would definitely help. I can't access #2 but it seems #3 and #4 are more so about suspicions of crypto-communism, which is not quite the same; of course there's plenty to be said about all kinds of persecution of suspected communists. #4 specifically introduces the concept of crypto-communism with "This belief led to rampant, vague suspicions and the notions of the crypto-communist, fellow traveler, or sympathizer.", which also makes me wonder how much overlap there is with fellow traveler, though that does seem to be something of a distinct concept. Anyway, I'm not necessarily against keeping at this point, just a bit curious about what the scope of it would actually be. If it's going to be mostly about suspicions of (crypto)communism, then I suppose it could easily be expanded with content about various red scares, McCarthyism etc. Lennart97 (talk) 21:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Bathtub's sourcing, although i will say that I did initially roll my eyes at the thought of a communist state run on cryptocurrency. the crypto bois are at it again, i thought ;) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 00:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Shtromas, Alexander (2003). Totalitarianism and the Prospects for World Order, Closing the Door on the Twentieth Century. Lexington Books. pp. 257–258. ISBN 9780739105344.

[2] Labin, Suzanne (1960). The Technique of Soviet Propaganda. United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary.

[3] "Crypto-Communist Charges By Mr. Churchill". The Sydney Morning Herald. 19 April 1947. p. 3. Retrieved 28 November 2021.

[4] Christian Gerlach; Clemens Six, eds. (2020). The Palgrave Handbook of Anti-Communist Persecutions. Springer International Publishing. p. 9. ISBN 9783030549633.

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