Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cowboys–Rams rivalry

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. No determination on whether the nomination was made in good faith, but the result of the discussion below is a clear and obvious keep, with the article's sources establishing notability. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:02, 15 November 2021 (UTC) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:02, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cowboys–Rams rivalry

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Given the precedent set on other rivalry pages, I think this one fits in the same category as Cowboys-Vikings, a historical match-up with lots of lore but not as currently recent. This is a quote on the Cowboys fan blog: "The Cowboys and Rams aren’t exactly rivals, as they haven’t faced each other enough to count as such." If we are willing to keep historical rivalries around with cultural lore (but not as currently toxic), than this can stay. The precedent recently doesn't support keeping this page. Jackmar1Talk 14:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jackmar1: Are you simply trying to make a point? You affirmatively asserted in this diff that Cowboys-Rams has "lots of historical match-ups and notability to back it up" but threatened to open this AfD if the other AfD didn't go your way. Please read WP:POINTy ("When one becomes frustrated with the way a ... guideline is being applied, it may be tempting to try to discredit the rule or interpretation thereof by, in one's view, applying it consistently. ... Such behavior, wherever it occurs, is highly disruptive ..."). Cbl62 (talk) 19:21, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:25, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2021 November 14. —cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online 17:34, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, appears to meet GNG per coverage such as this, this, this, this, and this, among others. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Beanie Fan and the sources noted there. Most tellingly, CBS Sports rates it No. 6 on its list of the "1970s rivalries that made the NFL 'super'". See here. Also, per my note above, I have concerns that the nominator has opened this AfD to make a WP:POINT about the voting in another AfD. Cbl62 (talk) 19:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:GNG and WP:NTEMP, per BeanieFan11's sources. Ejgreen77 (talk) 20:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - this was certainly a notable rivalry in the 1970s when the two teams made the playoffs almost every year and as evidenced by BeanieFan11's sources. Notability is not temporary. Rlendog (talk) 20:33, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Responding to CBL62, the previous AFD discussion was not a threat. My simple argument is that we need to apply standards consistently on Wikipedia. My point on this discussion is not to say it should be deleted out of spite (these are afterall discussions). I am trying to have a consistent viewpoint on what constitutes a rivalry. If the Cowboys-Vikings rivalry gets deleted, than this page should also be deleted because they both are similar - historical 1970's rivalries that were super hot and that have notability but have cooled a bit (as the quote above alludes to earlier). The real question is: if a match-up has historical clout / memories / lore and that constitutes a page, than this stays. If the editors are saying only current rivalries based on how the fans perceive the match-up (without regard to historical notability), than this goes (and honestly probably half the NFL rivalries on Wikipedia could be debated). Again the goal is consistency in our standards, not spite.

Jackmar1Talk 14:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jackmar1: Suggesting the deletion of an article you acknowledge is notable on "consistency" grounds after you object to policy interpretation in another AfD is precisely what WP:POINTy says to avoid. Respectflyy suggest you withdraw this before it goes any further. Cbl62 (talk) 22:15, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Cbl62: I never suggested deletion. My initial post asks a question: "If we are willing to keep historical rivalries around with cultural lore (but not as currently toxic), than this can stay. The precedent recently doesn't support keeping this page." Its an open-ended discussion. I'm not even sure how to withdraw this since the policies also say this should stay open for 7 days.Jackmar1Talk 14:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In an AfD, where there are no "delete" votes, the nominator can withdraw the AfD by simply typing Withdrawn . Cbl62 (talk) 02:00, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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