Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Churchill Professor of Mathematics for Operational Research

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. People disagree about whether academic chairs that are generating presumed notability per WP:PROF are themselves automatically notable. This question is also at the center of at least two other still open AfDs. I recommend a centralized discussion of some sort about this question. Sandstein 08:57, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Churchill Professor of Mathematics for Operational Research

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Notability is not WP:INHERITED from its holders being bluelinks, sources are from within the department and university. Reywas92^Talk 04:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Reywas92^Talk 04:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. I searched, but the only coverage I could find was of people taking or leaving the chair, not in-depth and something that could easily be handled by a succession box within the individual articles. I couldn't find anything in-depth about the history of the chair or the story behind its creation. I don't think this passes WP:GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:21, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mathematics-related deletion discussions. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:22, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:LISTN, as two or more people with enwiki articles have held this chair. ミラP 21:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Hogwash, there is no free reign for automatic notability of separate articles for any concept for which you have two bluelinks. No part of LISTN states this utter fabrication. Which "independent reliable sources" "discuss [it] as a group or set"??? Reywas92^Talk 22:38, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Not necessary, WP:LISTN says, emphasis mine, that this is just [o]ne accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable, and that those that fulfill recognized [...] navigation [...] purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. And please take it to only one AFD at a time. ミラP 23:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• "Two or more" bluelinks is not a navigational purpose superseding any expectation for independent sources covering the topic. You are twisting these words, which link to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lists#Purposes_of_lists and clearly reduces the need for sources for pages like outlines and lists of lists, not for bestowing an article on any concept that people can theoretically use to move from one article to another. Forget the GNG and all the rest, right? It has two links, call it a list, and it's good – AFD or even ATD be excepted! We've got List of University of Cambridge people if you want navigation, or list professors at Faculty of Mathematics, University of Cambridge if you want navigation, not unlimited independent-significant-coverage-free pages. Reywas92^Talk 23:37, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. it can be expected that the article will be expanded, since every person holding the chair is notable by WP:PROF. It's furthermore a distinguishing characterists. And a list of something distinguishing about multiple people all of whom will be notable justifies a list . DGG ( talk ) 06:50, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per David Eppstein: there appears to be zero independent coverage of this. Also the argument about NLIST seems completely wrong to me: the people who get this chair will be notable, but unless there is discussion of them as a group or collection then the notability is not inherited by the chair from its holders. --JBL (talk) 14:44, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.