Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chuck Harder

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete Addressing some of the keep votes, the Google News Archives link by Wasted Time R actually turned up empty for me (although this may be to geographical differences), while Stereorock is an assertion more than an argument. However Phil Bridger pointed out that Harder has been covered in a number of books, and so I acknowledge that the keep side of the argument has some merit.

Still, I am calling this a delete based on Gamaliel's comments because the only live link in "external links" is to Chuck Harder's website, while the other link there, local840.com, is a deadlink. Additionally there are some paragraphs in the article that are sourced to in-text external links, having checked them however, [1] has no mention of Harder, [2] redirects to search.com and there is nothing in the archives, [3] is a press release, and [4] also seems to be a personal Chuck Harder website. Had there been any validly sourced statements, then stubbing and rebuilding of the article would have been an option not requiring deletion, but in this case none of the content seems to be BLP-compliant and that does mandate deletion at this point.

This result is without prejudice to another and better sourced article. Sjakkalle (Check!) 20:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chuck Harder

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Non-noteworthy local radio host, a search on many of the claims in the article cannot be verified and probably don't do enough to garner notability anyway. A WP:PROD tag was removed without much note. Thargor Orlando (talk) 03:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unsourced BLP, no indications of real notability. A radio host in Hamilton County, Florida? That's literally the middle of nowhere, basically it has a gas station for the folks driving through on the interstate and that's it. Gamaliel (talk) 05:37, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm willing to accept the judgement of my fellow editors that Harder is notable. I still think it should be deleted or stubbed given the large amount of unsourced (and possibly copyright violating) material. Gamaliel (talk) 04:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removing unsourced material and copyvio text is an editorial action that anyone can take at any time. But deletion is inappropriate and unwarranted here. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:35, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Chuck Harder actually lives in Columbia County, Florida, but you are correct. He was big in the 1990s, and he tried to come back several years ago, but his bad health (he's had several strokes and heart attacks since the early 1980s) has prevented him from doing so. He's had a few interviews on other far right wing radio talk shows, and he still has lots of admirers amongst the so-called "Patriot" anti-government crowd; that's probably why this Wikipedia article stays up. But we can't let one group of people dictate to everyone else what Wikipedia will contain, and how it will be managed.

Keep. Harder was once one of the biggest names in talk radio and was on many stations. Just because he's not popular now doesn't mean he shouldn't have an article. Should we get rid of Burns & Allen?Stereorock (talk) 15:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Burns and Allen article has nine sources, including books, an encyclopedia, and journal articles. Gamaliel (talk) 16:13, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that the desire for deletion seems to stem from people who dislike his politics and was a major personality in the past. Burns & Allen had a show in the past too but we should keep it on there. Believe me, I am not a fan of Harder's and would love to nominate Joy Browne for deletion as she's on some 4th-rate network but it's not gonna happen! Allan Freed wound up spinning jazz on some small Long Beach, Ca. station at the end of his career but we keep his listing. Even the poster above me acknowledges that Harder has a following so he's not just some podunk D.J. on some backwater station. Granted, that's where his career is now but it wasn't always that way.Stereorock (talk) 12:34, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You've been around Wikipedia long enough to know about WP:AGF. Please keep the unfounded accusations out of the discussion. Gamaliel (talk) 04:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reread the Delete comment below yours and you'll see what I was talking about. "He's had a few interviews on other far right wing radio talk shows, and he still has lots of admirers amongst the so-called "Patriot" anti-government crowd; that's probably why this Wikipedia article stays up. But we can't let one group of people dictate to everyone else what Wikipedia will contain, and how it will be managed." The term "far right wing" is usually used as weasel words by liberals to describe anybody they don't agree with. Then there's the comment about how he has lots of admirers amongst the "so-called 'Patriot' anti-government crowd; that's probably why this Wikipedia article stays up." I'm to assume good faith in that statement? Finally, it wasn't signed so I how can I assume good faith on a comment that wasn't attributed in public to any user?Stereorock (talk) 10:12, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"My point is that the desire for deletion seems to stem from people who dislike his politics". Not one single person or comment is specified. So while the comment you singled out now obviously has an axe to grind, you weren't specific or singular, so we didn't have any way of knowing who you were accusing. When you edit political articles you get accused of an agenda pretty much constantly, so I am other editors might think you were talking about us. Gamaliel (talk) 15:49, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Look through the first few pages of these Google News Archive Search hits. His show was heard nationally and he and it have been discussed by plenty of well-known, mainstream newspapers around the country. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:04, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:13, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:13, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Google Books search linked in the nomination demonstrates clear notability. The first two results that I looked at were this one with several pages of coverage and this confirming that Harder's show was carried by 300 radio stations, both from A-list academic publishers. And, for the avoidance of doubt, a large part of doi:10.1080/13563469708406288 is about Harder. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:53, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The main problem with this article is that some parts of it -- specifically the quotes in the middle attributed to "WND" -- read like they were written by either Harder himself or one of his supporters. At the least, these sections need to be removed. I think "WND" stands for "WorldNetDaily" but I'm not absolutely sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.146.239 (talk) 14:53, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.