Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Phoenix (producer)

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The result was Delete. JodyB _talk 17:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Phoenix (producer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Tagged for notability, the article reads like a promotional piece. Lack of significant discussion in secondary sources independent of the subject. Cirt (talk) 21:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• delete - while I created the page, I was just extracting it from a page with two bios on it. User Kickdacatt originally inserted the information and seems to have only been around 10 days. I do not see that the article has established Mr. Phoenix's notability. Might want to consider including Dennis Media Group. (John User:Jwy talk) 22:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. coccyx bloccyx_(toccyx) 23:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete: I did some looking and it is connected to Special:Contributions/Kickdacattas Jwy mentioned. They also started the Dennis Media Group article and according to that article "Dennis Media Group is the broadcast, online, and retail video arm of Dennis Publishing Ltd..." so I went to Dennis Publishing Ltd in hopes of finding information about Dennis Media Group. However in searching and following links I could not find any mentions, not even the Maxim website mentions them. Both the Maxim and Dennis publishing sites use the same "privacy policy" which does say: "Dennis Publishing Ltd includes subsidiary companies Evo Publications Ltd, The Week Ltd, Dennis Lifestyle Ltd and Octane Media Ltd." A Google news search returns: Your search - "Dennis Media Group" - did not match any documents. I am able to find reprints of press release issued by the company (Business Wire, Nov 19, 2002 seems to be the main one that is found in various searches) but most of the other information is either from press release or from "self published" sources. Here is an interesting little link that relates - it is to Brian Oakes resume on "Linked In". Brian Oakes - Independent Motion Graphics Designer has listed this item: "Creative Director, Dennis Media Group,(Privately Held; 1-10 employees; Entertainment industry), 2002 — 2005 (3 years)" The "Privately Held; 1-10 employees" part might explain the lack of items that would help to establish Chris Phoenix's notability. Soundvisions1 (talk) 18:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: TWO Dennis Media Group Mentions: 1st is Dennis Media Groups 1st retail DVD release for Maxim - http://www.amazon.com/Maxim-Real-Swimsuit-DVD-Vol/dp/B0002T2QR4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1225752039&sr=8-1

The Second is a press release for the Media 100 - http://www.allbusiness.com/media-telecommunications/movies-sound-recording/6007313-1.html Dennis Publishing no longer owns Maxim, Stuff or Blender Magazines, and the DMG dept. was closed when Chris Phoenix left Dennis Publishing in August of 2005. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kickdacatt (talk • contribs) 22:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: Reading the notes above, I think it may be important to note that Chris Phoenix used to be in the music industry but is primarily involved in Television Production and Post Production (2 series on BRAVO - Battle of the Network Reality Stars and All-Star Reality ReUnion, 1 series on TLC - Ice Diaries, 1 series on ESPN - 2006 US Paintball Championships, and 2 series' on Comedy Central - Night of Too Many Stars and Important Things with Demetri Martin and a number of TV specials on VH1, NBC and FX - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1785930/).-- • John Pope (talk) 02:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: To be clear about the links provided by Kickdacatt and John Pope they are not allowed for citing notability at Wikipedia. The "press release for the Media 100" is the same one I already mentioned as a reprint of a press release, the link to Amazon is an advert to buy a DVD and, in general, the IMDB is not always considered a good source as it is user created. What is being looked for here are articles that contain "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". A DVD listing at an online store, lists of credits, or reprints of press releases are not "significant coverage". See General notability guidelines for definitions. Also it should be noted that the only Wikipedia contributions from both of these editors have been to Chris Phoenix related articles. Soundvisions1 (talk) 07:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I also note they have not voted here nor have they updated the page, the only direct actions that would contribute to preserving the page. I think they have more information/access to sources than most and would have the best chance at making the necessary changes. (John User:Jwy talk) 17:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.