Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centre points of counties of the United Kingdom

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎ the UK list, no consensus for the U.S. list. As noted by Rupples, the latter was not adequately addressed by the "delete" !votes and should be examined in a separate deletion discussion if needed. In short, no prejudice for a speedy renomination. ✗plicit 12:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Centre points of counties of the United Kingdom

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Centres of countries, okay, but counties? Fails WP:NLIST. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:54, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page:

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography, Lists, United Kingdom, and United States of America. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:31, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Regarding the UK counties list (I haven't looked at the US list), the problem looks to me to be more one of WP:Original research than of notability. I tend to think it is OR whereas the notability of lists seems to be entirely in the eye of the beholder. I see that this old version of the UK list does not look to be OR and it is short enough to be reasonably merged into Centre points of the United Kingdom. That should be an editorial decision rather than one of deletion Thincat (talk) 11:45, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - the table is stated to have been calculated (by the editor), i.e. it is pure WP:OR, which is forbidden. The fact that one county, Yorkshire, has had its centre professionally calculated indicates that this is a minor curiosity, not amounting to notability. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:29, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am finding the list of centres of US states very useful. I am going to visit them all and I will start by creating a an optimal tour based on the centres, to get a rough idea of the order in which I will visit them, for rough planning purposes. Then I will refine my trip by finding individual points of interest in each state and re-run the optimal tour algorithm. The list is a very useful resource - please don't delete it!

Blaise (talk) 19:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you download the contents so you can use it - unfortunately WP:ILIKEIT is not considered a valid reason to !keep. JMWt (talk) 19:26, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - it's unencyckopedic content and WP:OR. Unless someone can show a published book which directly addresses this topic, I can't see how we can possibly even consider !keeping JMWt (talk) 19:29, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per comments above. RobinCarmody (talk) 18:29, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete 2 reasons:

-There is one source, which is for yorkshire, leading me to believe the rest is original research.

-This does not apear to be a very useful article.

I might change my opinion if the creator of this article can provide more sources. History person 2 (talk) 21:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As I pointed out above, there used to be several sources in an earlier verson but they were removed. Thincat (talk) 08:32, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both - The UK article is almost entirely OR since the author admitedly did the calculations in QGIS. The US one is at least sourced to a research paper, but again there's no SIGCOV sourcing to establish notability. –dlthewave ☎ 12:55, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the UK counties listing as original research and an unlikely term of reference. Tried quick Google searches for 3 random counties and nothing came up. However I'm moving towards keep for the US states version as it's more likely credible sources exist. For example, there's this for Texas [1] and this for Georgia [2] to take two at random. There are sources for the grouping to support WP:NLIST here [3] and here [4] even if the latter contends there are no official centers. The topic looks notable. It requires narrative on the formal recognition of the centers (or lack of), but that's a content issue. Rupples (talk) 05:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I don't think it was a good idea to bundle the two nominations. They're not inextricably linked. Looking at the comments left so far it looks as though only dlthewave and myself have specifically expressed opinions/!votes on each nomination. There's a risk of one article being deleted by default. Rupples (talk) 06:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: OR Listcruft. // Timothy :: talk 10:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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