Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cemal Polat

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. After sockpuppets and low-participation editor opinions are discounted, what remains is a policy-based consensus that the subject falls short of demonstrating encyclopedic notability. No prejudice against restoring to draft if someone wants to make a further effort to build an article on this subject. BD2412 T 01:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cemal Polat

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Reads like a resume. He seems to have done lots of stuff, but I cannot see anything that passes WP:NBIO. The only interesting thing is the award, but I cannot find anything about Gazette readers awards. Even if I could, it would be a long way from helping him reach the notable level. The best we could do is draftify the article. Aintabli (talk) 04:45, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Turkey. Aintabli (talk) 04:45, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and England. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:18, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Cearly passing WP:NBIO There is significant coverage in news press without PR or branded content: See Dunya News (Media TV channel, Pakistan's top 2nd), Best-selling Book author mentioned in-depth by Daily Times (Pakistan's 3rd largest newspaper), also mentioned in E newspaper so passing the notability. He runs some hotels as well and also his restaurant received an award from 'Hackney Gazzette' which is a notable publication in the UK.

London's Kurdish community pulls together to help... | Rudaw.net

Overcoming economic obstacles in Pakistan through entrepreneurial literature (mmnews.tv)

Cemal Polat: Danışmanlık akademisi için hazırlanıyor - Ekonomi Haberleri (sabah.com.tr)

Trakya’daki ‘çayır tırtılı’ istilası hem üreticiyi hem tüketiciyi etkileyecek (cumhuriyet.com.tr)

Stoke Newington eatery voted favourite café by Gazette readers | Hackney Gazette IntelisMust (talk) 09:02, 19 April 2023 (UTC) [reply]

Also Cemal is being featured in English and Turkish newspaper and the claims are made by the papers about best-selling author and received an award of fav restaurant.

Daily Times Epaper (review section) 02-03-2023 - Daily Times

The below two turkish newspaper has also featured him as an author, both are notable Turkish website.

Sevdiğin İşi Yap, Yaptığın İşi Sev - Esquire

Başarının İzinde (gq.com.tr)

Also he is featured in Fashion magazine of EMEA Tribune as a notable news agency. IntelisMust (talk) 09:21, 19 April 2023 (UTC)<--Confirmed sockpuppet, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Devoter. Aintabli (talk) 02:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Pure PR piece. Most of the Turkish sources in the article are interviews, which are primary sources. They just lay a foundation to promote this person's books and socials that are likely paid-for since they read obviously promotional. Considering the other creations of this user are in a similar condition I have severe UPE/COI concerns here. ~Styyx^Talk? 14:13, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  ..."comment" Hello how it is pure PR piece sir? as per Hackney Gazette his restaurant received the award, this is by editor. None of the articles are paid and nothing mentioned as the paid. Daily Times, Dunya News are reputable news agencies, news paper and you can not blame it for paid as it is published by AFP in Dunya News. IntelisMust (talk) 15:35, 19 April 2023 (UTC)<--Confirmed sockpuppet, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Devoter. Aintabli (talk) 02:17, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Not all people who won a so-called "award" are notable, because not all awards are important and notable enough. Aintabli (talk) 15:41, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  So which awards are notable, explain please? restaurant award are notable i.e Hackney's 2021 Hospitality Heroes for National Hospitality Day, this award is notable as per; and many others.

  Hospitality Day: Barking and Dagenham's favourite cafe, pub and restaurant revealed | Barking and Dagenham Post

  The votes are in: Winners of Hospitality Heroes poll revealed | East London Advertiser

  Vote: Tell us your favourite pub, cafe and restaurant in Hackney | Ham & High (hamhigh.co.uk)

  Hospitality Day 2021: Vote for your favourite east London venues | Romford Recorder IntelisMust (talk) 17:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)<--Confirmed sockpuppet, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Devoter. Aintabli (talk) 02:17, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It's a challenge to establish the notability of the award itself. There is neither an argument here, a Wiki page for the awards, nor any results when I try to search about "Gazette readers." It's crucial to note that notability standards of Wikipedia are much higher. This is getting a bit repetitive, but you might also want to check past AfD discussions, because I'm pretty sure I have seen deleted articles about more notable people. On the other hand, I am questioning some stuff here given your reaction. It doesn't add up with someone who when [they] see the news in TV, decided to write a page about him, according to your comments on my talk page. I'm just saying. It would be important to clear that up instead of spamming links, because they are unnecessarily occupying space. Aintabli (talk) 19:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Yaw he he 2A00:23C6:5301:2901:DE2:9BE:52D6:B035 (talk) 16:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Who are you? This is even more mysterious, since "yaw he he" is a phrase used in Turkish to dismiss an opinion. This IP clearly belongs to a native Turkish-speaker from London. Maybe Cemal Polat himself? Aintabli (talk) 17:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:50, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 04:09, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep.  Seems to meet WP:GNG. Although the publications are unknown to me, they appear to be legit as at least these 2 have are good Sabah and Dunya News.Hkkingg (talk) 06:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Can't see anything that passes WP:ANYBIO. There isn't a well-known award won, widely-recognized "contribution", and no entries in a standard national biographical dictionary. I don't know how Sabah and Dunya News are "good". Getting mentioned in two, three, whatever news sites is not enough to establish notability. Even Dunya News discusses "numerous entrepreneurs", one of which is this guy. Now, are all those other businesspeople notable? Wikipedia isn't some sort of a magazine and promotional site for such people. Aintabli (talk) 17:46, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep met the general notability guidelines of Wikipedia, there are many pages on Wikipedia that have 2-3 references and they have also a Wikipedia so references are not matter but the publications are. Daily Times has a Wikipedia page here and it's Pakistan's one of the few news outlets. Dunya News and Sabah are also notable, as they both sites have depth written about the person. Upon Googling I found 'Hackney Gazette' have written detail about his restaurant and won the restaurant's fav award/votes.

ABC Turkey Gazette has some mentioned about him so this reference would be good as the secondary reference. https://abcgazetesi.com/cemal-polat-dunyanin-en-iyi-danismanlari-arasinda-407045 Hukumat Namanzoor (talk) 08:23, 8 May 2023 (UTC)<--Confirmed sockpuppet, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Devoter. Aintabli (talk) 02:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment — Some clear sock/meatpuppetry going on here. ~Styyx^Talk? 11:03, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  So you decide to turn the discussion into a puppetry by your condescending remarks, surely you have a personal agenda against this individual, you have made your point and others are making their points of views known and there will be a final decision at the end. I would recommend you keep your arguments respectful and within the bounds of Wikipedia rules if you believe there is any reason to delete this page you have every right to make it known and allow for others to note their views too without being attacked or talked down to like this. 2A00:23C6:5301:2901:A010:F348:944B:87DA (talk) 14:40, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  There is nothing disrespectful here. The circumstances are fishy at best, which you, an IP replying in a timely manner, are contributing to. Aintabli (talk) 18:41, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Relies exclusively on trivial mentions and promotional contents, and searching did not yield any better sources either. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 19:43, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Some articles should be improved but passing the notability because 4 websites are purely notable and doesn't have any mention but in detailed in-depth, so the page should not be deleted but should be improved with Turkish references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaikha Habiba (talk • contribs) 08:23, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.