Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cavaliers–Celtics rivalry (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cavaliers–Celtics rivalry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:GNG and WP:NRIVALRY as a non-notable rivalry. Article was already deleted in 2018 and recreated in 2021. While the current version is a substantial improvement in terms of content, there is still no WP:SIGCOV establishing this series as a rivalry. A WP:BEFORE search on the topic via Google shows only a couple fan blogs and very little to satisfy GNG. In fact, there are other articles explicitly stating a rivalry does NOT exist between these two teams or the rivalry is between the Celtics and LeBron James rather than the Cavaliers.[1] [2] [3]. Frank Anchor 02:07, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Basketball, Massachusetts, and Ohio. Frank Anchor 02:11, 25 June 2022 (UTC) [reply]
• Delete Fails WP:GNG with lack of significant coverage in multiple, independent sources. The biggest issue is that it fails the guideline WP:WHYN, namely that multiple sources are needed "so that we can write a reasonably balanced article that complies with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view". Otherwise, editors will just cherry-pick facts from routine coverage in recaps of individual games or series, as opposed to independent sources that look at the rivalry as a whole. Moreover, routine coverage liberally uses the term rivalry to manufacture hype.—Bagumba (talk) 10:57, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:36, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 08:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Sabbatino, Frank Anchor, Clarityfiend, and Dammit steve: Notifying you all for your input given your participation at the earlier Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cavaliers–Celtics rivalry. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 12:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Oops, sorry Frank Anchor as you were already the nominator here.—Bagumba (talk) 12:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete In agreement with Bagumba. Lack of coverage of these teams as rivals. Teams meeting in several playoffs or being good at the same time does not make them rivals. Carson Wentz (talk) 23:17, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.