Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cannibal Killers Live
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep. Foxy Loxy Pounce! 08:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Unnotable DVD that fails WP:N and WP:MUSIC. Hasn't even been released yet and has no significant coverage in reliable sources. was redirected back to artist article per the music guidelines but IPs continue reverting. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- TwentiethApril1986 (want to talk?) 00:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: The CD/DVD compilation was released on Oct 7th. This DVD is from a notable band, and is on a major label (Warner Bros). WP:BAND states In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. XF Law talk at me 13:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:MUSIC reminds you that "All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." - same applies with WP:BAND. May have does not mean that it DOES have, so unless there actually is significant coverage in reliable sources, it is not notable no matter who put it out. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I was using the quote from BAND as a secondary source. My argument is still that the major label release, coupled with an official release by a notable band satisfies WP:N. You have to admit you were mistaken in your assertion that the DVD had not been released. There are plenty of reliable sources if further research is done. It would be highly unusual that a notable band would put out a major label release that wouldn't pick up the requirements for notability. XF Law talk at me 14:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You are correct in that I presumed the date in the article itself was correct. And no, the DVD being an official release by a notable band does NOT satisfy WP:N. Sources do that, and press releases by the producer/band/etc promoting itself does not count. Where are the significant number of reviews, articles discussing the DVD, etc? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:19, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- By your logic, it's easier for a band to satisfy notability than for that band's album. That seems a bit backwards. I don't have a vested interest either way - I'm very satisfied that the Reuters source is quite reliable, and stand behind my original position. Starpulse? or MTV or MTV again. There is plenty of coverage of this DVD. XF Law talk at me 14:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course a band can satisfy notability easier than their individual works. And the Reuters article is a press release, which is RS but does not establish notability. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- By your logic, it's easier for a band to satisfy notability than for that band's album. That seems a bit backwards. I don't have a vested interest either way - I'm very satisfied that the Reuters source is quite reliable, and stand behind my original position. Starpulse? or MTV or MTV again. There is plenty of coverage of this DVD. XF Law talk at me 14:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You are correct in that I presumed the date in the article itself was correct. And no, the DVD being an official release by a notable band does NOT satisfy WP:N. Sources do that, and press releases by the producer/band/etc promoting itself does not count. Where are the significant number of reviews, articles discussing the DVD, etc? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:19, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I was using the quote from BAND as a secondary source. My argument is still that the major label release, coupled with an official release by a notable band satisfies WP:N. You have to admit you were mistaken in your assertion that the DVD had not been released. There are plenty of reliable sources if further research is done. It would be highly unusual that a notable band would put out a major label release that wouldn't pick up the requirements for notability. XF Law talk at me 14:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:MUSIC reminds you that "All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." - same applies with WP:BAND. May have does not mean that it DOES have, so unless there actually is significant coverage in reliable sources, it is not notable no matter who put it out. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep evidently notable at least as far as the Wall-Street Journal is concerned. --Firefly322 (talk) 05:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.