Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bucking bar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Rivet#Installation. Content is still visible in history if anyone wishes to merge or copy to draft (with attribution of course). ansh666 10:26, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bucking bar

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This article currently consists of an unsourced dictionary definition, and any additional future content could easily be included in Rivet or Rivet gun. The topic has no significance outside of its role in the riveting process. –dlthewave ☎ 04:00, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. It seems like this is dlthewave's payback for me mentioning that I felt Stephen Paddock should not be given an article. I posted comments about thinking it didn't seem right that a murderer like Stephen Paddock be considered notable and be given an article - now with an expanded personal life section - versus someone like Heather Meyer who was killed at the Charlottesville Rally back in August. The user has edited articles on both the Charlottesville Unite the Right Rally and the Las Vegas Shooting article. I've expressed my opinion that victims should be notable because focusing on criminals gives the criminal more attention and incentives further violence. In regards to the Bucking Bar article which I created after being surprised there was no article on Wikipedia about it, I have discussed with someone in the past on Wikipedia who agreed that since there is likely an article for Hammer, which is a tool which could be made of many different things, there should be an article for a Bucking Bar. I actually didn't know if there was an article for Hammer but was pretty confident there was one. Indeed, there is a very nice article for Hammer. There are whole companies which sell Bucking Bars. I feel there should be a Bucking Bar article. Synesthetic (talk) 16:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well... leaving aside the motivation here... there seems to be a lot to say about hammers, seeing as there are a gazillion types and they have been around since some Australopithecine got tired of bruising their knuckles. Is there much to say about bucking bars, beside the dicdef? "Piece of metal behind rivet" doesn't lend itself much to informative coverage in secondary sources... maybe etymology, but that's still within dicdef territory. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:41, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• I would move to draft pending potential expansion into something worth having in article space. With physical inventions, there is always something more than the etymology of the term. When was it first invented? Is there a specific person who came up with it, or did it merely come to be used in a certain time period without a specific inventor being identifiable? Has the invention been improved over time, and if so, in what ways? There's enough to say about it that this guy was able to make the video on this page. bd2412 T 17:17, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Rivet#Installation as a {{R with possibilities}}. There isn't enough for a stand-alone article currently, and with its additional context, the article rivet does a better job of describing what a bucking bar actually is. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:24, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The notability of this subject is undetermined and from the above it seems as if all relevant information is already covered in other articles. EvilxFish (talk) 22:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Rivet. We don't need an article on every component used in every process. There's more than enough information in rivet. When there gets too much there, we can bring the redirect out of retirement and give it a glorious page all of its own, fully described, referenced and duly polished. Until then... well. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:13, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Rivet#Installation -- the number of possible different shapes may be vast, but they're all about putting an anvil in place to strike against. As the bar serves no other purpose than to be used in the installation of rivets, it is suitable to merge and redirect. --Auto ^{(talk / contribs)} 00:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect: LOL-- LOL-- LOL--, sorry! Strong keep as payback? That's a good one, and one of the better of rationale. I love Wikipedia. There is this little policy that apparently is not important, or over-looked (I hope the later), that Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Maybe significant coverage is not really required. We can "ignore the rules" because it will help Wikipedia somehow, or mothball the 29 words as a redirect until such time as we have enough for a full-blown article. The "I'm pissed at you so keep" expended more words in the first line and there are five more lines. On a more serious note Rivet gun would be the more suited place for coverage but with only 29 words and such passion I think we could just blank-and-redirect. Otr500 (talk) 04:26, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Okay so there is an article for anvil already which a bucking bar appears to be a type of. I would still think bucking bar deserves a page. Think about all of the things in your life which are riveted. Bucking bars helped create them. Synesthetic (talk) 04:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't mind if there could be a stand-alone article having been an automotive technician and paint and body man for over 30 years. I have used a pneumatic rivet gun, that will not work without a bucking bar set, that actually is like a mobile anvil and similar to a dolly used in bodywork. Given some of the other options above I would prefer stand-alone considering there is Hammer (firearms), Trigger (firearms), and other like articles.

To some, the apparent "sourcing thing" might be deemed a thing of the past but at present, and no viable options offered, (there are no references), I have a hard time with other options. Otr500 (talk) 04:36, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.